The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread
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@mariner4life you forgot Laumape benching 170kg!
According to the FB/IG posts, this means he could have busted open the Argies defence last weekend!
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@nzzp said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Chris said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
All part of Razor's Coaching philosophy.
I rate Razor as a coach, but I agree with the NZR panel - he needs to get out of the monoculture he's coached and played in his whole career, and get stuck in other locations.
Would I take him over Foster? Probably
Would I take him over Rennie or JJ? Probably not
Would I take him over Gats? Probably not (not trolling - I reckon Gats could be a really good AB coach; that Lions team he brought here absolutely hummed on a short turnaround)
Either way, he's young, and I reckon heading overseas for a stint will be good for him.
What we have now is Foster and Razor. I would rather have a coach that can inspire than what we have.
Not sure on Gatland. but JJ and Rennie are not on the radar.
As far as Razor goes that was said about him before he took the Crusaders job he doesn't have enough experience out of his bubble,I am not sure if that is true if you are good enough you are good enough right now.He is doing a great job motivating and inspiring the AB's in the Crusaders who looked sick of SR before he took the Job.
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@Machpants said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@nzzp that's mostly moot, we had the options of razor or Fozzie bear. Razor by far a better choice
we only have those options because NZR ran a closed process that was the opposite of 'diverse and inclusive'
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@nostrildamus said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@chimoaus said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@gt12 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@taniwharugby said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Donsteppa maybe Foster has made a number of changes to thier structure (that is not visible to the naked eye...) and the team is struggling to execute?
Outside of that, I got nuffink
It's the cattle. World's best first five excepted of course :face_with_stuck-out_tongue:
It's funny because I don't think anyone would argue our cattle is superior to what Australia and Argentina had available, yet we only won 40% of the time. I suspect the farmers of the inferior cattle knew a thing or two about farming.
I don't understand.
NZ arguably had better players than AUS/ARG yet we only won 2/5. Their coaches clearly did a far better job with the players they had then we did. Probably the reason NZ Coaches come under so much fire, you have a plethora of talent and riches and if you somehow fuck that up then there is often noone else to blame. Admittedly we don't have the players we once had but I suspect if Rennie was in charge of the AB's we would be seeing a different side then we have this year.
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"Training really hard"
Jesus. This reminds me of a certain Hurricanes coach and his bullshit about how they were smashing it at training. We all know how that turned out.
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@chimoaus I mean-are you saying our cattle is inferior?
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I reckon Sam's right about the public knowing sweet fuck all about rugby. I'm astounded at the commentary I see on FB, reddit, roar etc. Even at club rugby and people talk about tactics from the 80s as if they'd work now, or their understanding of the laws and interpretations are mired back when.
I remember Matt Burke getting grief for trying to explain to people they didn't know what they were talking about given the game at that level is unrecognisable from park footy.
If you traditionally know you're in for a good team performance by certain indicators, why would you believe the result would be any different?
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@antipodean said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
I reckon Sam's right about the public knowing sweet fuck all about rugby. I'm astounded at the commentary I see on FB, reddit, roar etc. Even at club rugby and people talk about tactics from the 80s as if they'd work now, or their understanding of the laws and interpretations are mired back when.
I remember Matt Burke getting grief for trying to explain to people they didn't know what they were talking about given the game at that level is unrecognisable from park footy.
If you traditionally know you're in for a good team performance by certain indicators, why would you believe the result would be any different?
Maybe so but don’t alienate your fans by telling them they are basically ignorant, not a way to get the fans behind you.
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@nostrildamus said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@chimoaus I mean-are you saying our cattle is inferior?
And your sheep, ours are mcuh hotter
But yes
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@Chris said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@antipodean said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
I reckon Sam's right about the public knowing sweet fuck all about rugby. I'm astounded at the commentary I see on FB, reddit, roar etc. Even at club rugby and people talk about tactics from the 80s as if they'd work now, or their understanding of the laws and interpretations are mired back when.
I remember Matt Burke getting grief for trying to explain to people they didn't know what they were talking about given the game at that level is unrecognisable from park footy.
If you traditionally know you're in for a good team performance by certain indicators, why would you believe the result would be any different?
Maybe so but don’t alienate your fans by telling them they are basically ignorant, not a way to get the fans behind you.
Agreed, not diplomatic. He probably shouldn't be reading the comments of the peasants.
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@antipodean said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Chris said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@antipodean said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
I reckon Sam's right about the public knowing sweet fuck all about rugby. I'm astounded at the commentary I see on FB, reddit, roar etc. Even at club rugby and people talk about tactics from the 80s as if they'd work now, or their understanding of the laws and interpretations are mired back when.
I remember Matt Burke getting grief for trying to explain to people they didn't know what they were talking about given the game at that level is unrecognisable from park footy.
If you traditionally know you're in for a good team performance by certain indicators, why would you believe the result would be any different?
Maybe so but don’t alienate your fans by telling them they are basically ignorant, not a way to get the fans behind you.
Agreed, not diplomatic. He probably shouldn't be reading the comments of the peasants.
Very True
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@antipodean said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
I reckon Sam's right about the public knowing sweet fuck all about rugby. I'm astounded at the commentary I see on FB, reddit, roar etc. Even at club rugby and people talk about tactics from the 80s as if they'd work now, or their understanding of the laws and interpretations are mired back when.
I remember Matt Burke getting grief for trying to explain to people they didn't know what they were talking about given the game at that level is unrecognisable from park footy.
If you traditionally know you're in for a good team performance by certain indicators, why would you believe the result would be any different?
Part of the problem is the timing of the Cane/Burke comments - when the team has played really badly and lost (in Burke's case it was a bunch of times for the Tahs).
So it reads as an attempt to discredit criticism that is often pretty valid. The ABs did play pretty badly, it doesn't take a 50 test veteran to see that.
I agree with your general premise that Joe Public is never as smart as he thinks he is on rugby matters, but mentioning that fact in a week where you've been belted by Argentina isn't the most productive way to have that discussion IMO.
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@barbarian said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@antipodean said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
I reckon Sam's right about the public knowing sweet fuck all about rugby. I'm astounded at the commentary I see on FB, reddit, roar etc. Even at club rugby and people talk about tactics from the 80s as if they'd work now, or their understanding of the laws and interpretations are mired back when.
I remember Matt Burke getting grief for trying to explain to people they didn't know what they were talking about given the game at that level is unrecognisable from park footy.
If you traditionally know you're in for a good team performance by certain indicators, why would you believe the result would be any different?
Part of the problem is the timing of the Cane/Burke comments - when the team has played really badly and lost (in Burke's case it was a bunch of times for the Tahs).
So it reads as an attempt to discredit criticism that is often pretty valid. The ABs did play pretty badly, it doesn't take a 50 test veteran to see that.
I agree with your general premise that Joe Public is never as smart as he thinks he is on rugby matters, but mentioning that fact in a week where you've been belted by Argentina isn't the most productive way to have that discussion IMO.
All of what you say is true, but I don't believe Sam's referring to the "we played poorly and Argies deserved the win" commentary. As I mentioned to @Chris , someone should be advising them about reading toxic messages.
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@Chris you think his comments will really lose the ABs any fans?
@antipodean didnt he say in there he had a self imposed ban on reading the media? I assume that would include social media...we know Laumape reads it though.
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@taniwharugby said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Chris you think his comments will really lose the ABs any fans?
@antipodean didnt he say in there he had a self imposed ban on reading the media? I assume that would include social media...we know Laumape reads it though.
You seem to be asking me to clarify matters of fact. I'm only here to complain and spread rumours.
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@antipodean said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
I reckon Sam's right about the public knowing sweet fuck all about rugby. I'm astounded at the commentary I see on FB, reddit, roar etc. Even at club rugby and people talk about tactics from the 80s as if they'd work now, or their understanding of the laws and interpretations are mired back when.
I remember Matt Burke getting grief for trying to explain to people they didn't know what they were talking about given the game at that level is unrecognisable from park footy.
If you traditionally know you're in for a good team performance by certain indicators, why would you believe the result would be any different?
It’s absolutely true but doesn’t need to be and shouldn’t be said. Not only is it very condescending (and probably alienating) it smacks of defensiveness, hypersensitivity and - crucially - a belief that nothing can be learned from outside the bubble / echo chamber. This last part is particularly concerning given that the bubble has produced next to nothing to address successfully the very apparent issues the team has has for the last 3 years.
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@nzzp said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@mariner4life said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
That article is loser talk 101.
"training really hard" is something i heard from teams like the Wallabies year after year. And it reminds me of the "best prepared Warriors team ever".
the great lies:
'best offseason ever''fittest we've ever been' '
'I'll still love you in the morning'
"Mate, I promise I won't piss in your wetsuit "
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@taniwharugby said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Chris you think his comments will really lose the ABs any fans?
@antipodean didnt he say in there he had a self imposed ban on reading the media? I assume that would include social media...we know Laumape reads it though.
More Cane may lose Fans,or enforce the thinking from people who don’t believe he should be Captain,certainly won’t help the present situation coming out with the remarks he made.
Unnecessary comments IMO just get on with doing your job and doing it better is my message back to Sam Cane. -
@voodoo said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@nzzp said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@mariner4life said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
That article is loser talk 101.
"training really hard" is something i heard from teams like the Wallabies year after year. And it reminds me of the "best prepared Warriors team ever".
the great lies:
'best offseason ever''fittest we've ever been' '
'I'll still love you in the morning'
"Mate, I promise I won't piss in your wetsuit "
Now that is a lie
