The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread
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@Chris said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Machpants said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Rugby Pass getting their licks in
Ian Foster is nothing more than a semi-final coach
Four matches into his time in charge of the All Blacks, it’s become clear that Ian Foster is nothing more than a semi-final coach.
Seems 100% correct IMO
I'm not getting to throw him under the bus just yet. Lets give him time to grow into the role. Yeah, too many changes for this game (then not enough during it), but I'm going to give him 12 months.
Also, any analysis that claims his primary success has been JB at 14 seems a touch flawed to me.
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@KiwiMurph said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
I remember Hansen and Henry coaching similarly rubbish performances v Wallabies in Brisbane.
Jury is out on Foster but he isn't alone in a bad Brisbane performance.
And Grizz and Hart as well. Yeah I'll give him a pass on this one. But not TJP. That was really really shit.
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@voodoo said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Chris said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Machpants said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Rugby Pass getting their licks in
Ian Foster is nothing more than a semi-final coach
Four matches into his time in charge of the All Blacks, it’s become clear that Ian Foster is nothing more than a semi-final coach.
Seems 100% correct IMO
I'm not getting to throw him under the bus just yet. Lets give him time to grow into the role. Yeah, too many changes for this game (then not enough during it), but I'm going to give him 12 months.
Also, any analysis that claims his primary success has been JB at 14 seems a touch flawed to me.
I don’t have much confidence we will progress under Foster
As always I will support the AB’s and wouldn’t mind being proved wrong if we win the next WC,and keep improving until the WC under Foster.
As I hate us losing any test match. -
Foster is a RWC SF level coach? Sounds optimistic to me!
Rennie just beat Foster's All Blacks with a team he found at Petrie Terrace! -
@nostrildamus said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Foster is a RWC SF level coach? Sounds optimistic to me!
Rennie just beat Foster's All Blacks with a team he found at Petrie Terrace!Rennie has hardly been impressive either with a record loss just last week. I'm not a fan of Foster's but he shouldn't be totally blamed for the loss, he can't control the stupidity and ill discipline of some of his players.
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@akan004 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@nostrildamus said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Foster is a RWC SF level coach? Sounds optimistic to me!
Rennie just beat Foster's All Blacks with a team he found at Petrie Terrace!Rennie has hardly been impressive either with a record loss just last week. I'm not a fan of Foster's but he shouldn't be totally blamed for the loss, he can't control the stupidity and ill discipline of some of his players.
Probably typical kiwi arrogance, but I tend to think most teams apart from SA think beating the ABs is a successful season.
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@Bones said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@akan004 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@nostrildamus said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Foster is a RWC SF level coach? Sounds optimistic to me!
Rennie just beat Foster's All Blacks with a team he found at Petrie Terrace!Rennie has hardly been impressive either with a record loss just last week. I'm not a fan of Foster's but he shouldn't be totally blamed for the loss, he can't control the stupidity and ill discipline of some of his players.
Probably typical kiwi arrogance, but I tend to think most teams apart from SA think beating the ABs is a successful season.
I’m just thankful to the rugby gods that we aren’t playing those 8 foot 300 pound Bok forwards that move around the park like fleet footed sprinters, discarding little ol’ AB minions, and the Bok halfback that fires bullet like passes from every scrum and ruck to their unflappable 1st 5 that need not run the ball because he can nail 50+ Metre droppies.
Thank you Covid. Thank you China.
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@ACT-Crusader said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Bones said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@akan004 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@nostrildamus said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Foster is a RWC SF level coach? Sounds optimistic to me!
Rennie just beat Foster's All Blacks with a team he found at Petrie Terrace!Rennie has hardly been impressive either with a record loss just last week. I'm not a fan of Foster's but he shouldn't be totally blamed for the loss, he can't control the stupidity and ill discipline of some of his players.
Probably typical kiwi arrogance, but I tend to think most teams apart from SA think beating the ABs is a successful season.
I’m just thankful to the rugby gods that we aren’t playing those 8 foot 300 pound Bok forwards that move around the park like fleet footed sprinters, discarded little ol’ AB minions, and the Bok halfback that fires bullet like passes from every scrum and ruck to their unflappable 1st 5 that need not run the ball because he can nail 50+ Metre droppies.
Thank you Covid. Thank you China.
They're no England but. I think the whole country of Italy dissolved after the thrashing they got at the oversized hands of a merciless England and their unstoppable wingers.
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@Bones said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@ACT-Crusader said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Bones said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@akan004 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@nostrildamus said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Foster is a RWC SF level coach? Sounds optimistic to me!
Rennie just beat Foster's All Blacks with a team he found at Petrie Terrace!Rennie has hardly been impressive either with a record loss just last week. I'm not a fan of Foster's but he shouldn't be totally blamed for the loss, he can't control the stupidity and ill discipline of some of his players.
Probably typical kiwi arrogance, but I tend to think most teams apart from SA think beating the ABs is a successful season.
I’m just thankful to the rugby gods that we aren’t playing those 8 foot 300 pound Bok forwards that move around the park like fleet footed sprinters, discarded little ol’ AB minions, and the Bok halfback that fires bullet like passes from every scrum and ruck to their unflappable 1st 5 that need not run the ball because he can nail 50+ Metre droppies.
Thank you Covid. Thank you China.
They're no England but. I think the whole country of Italy dissolved after the thrashing they got at the oversized hands of a merciless England and their unstoppable wingers.
I watched the Bok trial , I was not exactly shaking in my boots.
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@nostrildamus said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@akan004 a draw and a win out of 4 with his 2 major playmakers out for the last..2?
I think Rennie did pretty well, considering.Stats can be manipulated to sound good. In reality he won against a team that made 13 changes from the previous week as well as 2 positional changes. I give him credit for the Wellington performance but his team were very poor in the next two games and won a dead rubber against a fairly experimental lineup.
Am not taking anything away from Wallabies victory btw, they can only play the team that's in front of them. I just think we have to take into account the AB changes for this test when assessing Rennie's overall performance so far and imo he's been no better than Cheika was in his first year.
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@akan004 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
won a dead rubber against a fairly experimental lineup
um did you see how experimental the Wallaby side was?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
But many on the Fern wanted Akira starting, Jordie at 15, Laumape at 12, Reiko on the wing and BB at 10 to see how he went.
He Listened. They lost. We blame Fozzie....
The bench was the problem.
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@Bones said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Probably typical kiwi arrogance, but I tend to think most teams apart from SA think beating the ABs is a successful season.
Clearly, route 1 is winning Bill (or other big trophy). Otherwise, SA haven't had many recent successful seasons.
I'd say route 2 would be keeping test losses at 2 or under in a full season (perhaps 3 or under, depending).
One win against the ABs for the sake of it, while welcome, doesn't cut it. The "Wobs" have done that in 3 of the last 4 years ... (I use that name with kindness because it defines failure; they're trying to improve but aren't a good team).
Two such wins would be route 3 to a successful season. Closest so far, and for a long time now, is a win and a draw.
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@nostrildamus said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@akan004 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
won a dead rubber against a fairly experimental lineup
um did you see how experimental the Wallaby side was?
Team #6 v Team #2Did they have 13 changes? Besides, the Wallaby changes were made to improve the team, ours was to build depth. Can you really look at rankings once that many changes have been made? It's amazing how you just glossed over the two defeats, one being the biggest ever between the two countries.
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@reprobate said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@akan004 the difference being one team was changed due to injury, one by choice. I.e. coaching.
I don't have a problem with the no of changes he made . He could have taken the easy route, played the same team as last week, probably won the game and then beat the Argies in the next two which would possibly have secured him a two year contract extension. Instead he took a big risk in order to try an build a bit of depth.
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@akan004 it's not building depth though. Throwing guys in for a game or half a game when most of the team is completely different and either haven't played together in a test or haven't in years, then you're setting them up to fail.
Building depth is building a solid team with a solid core and then building experience around that with small changes.
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@Bones said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@akan004 it's not building depth though. Throwing guys in for a game or half a game when most of the team is completely different and either haven't played together in a test or haven't in years, then you're setting them up to fail.
Building depth is building a solid team with a solid core and then building experience around that with small changes.
Agree with this but I will allow one small mitigating factor in that they don't have the usual number of games in which to do that.
A B team is one thing. This was an inexperienced B team
