Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11
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@voodoo said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
No doubt losing it can make it bounce higher than if you hammer it when holding it right in the middle and keep your hand there. But its not evidence on its own. I remember scoring once and my hand was off centre on the ball and the fucking thing bounced waist high. Luckily the ref was right there.
And yeah no shit but to be 100% certain it's a try because it bounced is ridiculous.
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@Bones said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@voodoo said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
On his defensive "error " that led to the try in the corner, I think that was more a lack of combination than anything else. Yeah he crabbed in, but he was fast enough to recover (and he did). JB just didn't trust him to get there, so was too narrow and that flowed on 1 more slot out. If JB had trusted Reiko, it could have been different.
Almost like we were watching a guy in his test (starting) centre debut, with a guy inside him having his test (starting) second-five debut and a guy outside him having his second start at wing.
Almost, almost.
Wait...
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@voodoo said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Bones said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
It's funny how differently we all see things though. I remember reading someone in the match thread being irate because he clearly scored and you could tell because the ball bounced. To my mind a ball is a lot more likely to bounce if you throw/drop it than if you place it.
I thought his grounding was horrible but probably ok technically. But old news now.
Still old news, but I just watched it again, and I've now convinced myself that he dropped it.
Sobering up sucks arse
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I remember being furious with Dagg when he showboated in the final seconds of Tri-Nations decider, (2010 I think) also BB against Ireland in the test after the US loss. Both got away with it but I was filthy that they put the game in the balance just to showboat. Both apologized straight after the game if I remember right.
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I dunno if it was a try, but it should have stood as a try. When the on field decision is try, the TMO has to see something clear and obvious to over rule. The amount of debate says that’s not the case, unless the TMO has better images than we get.
Either way fuck Ioane and his show off shit.
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@Machpants said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
I dunno if it was a try, but it should have stood as a try. When the on field decision is try, the TMO has to see something clear and obvious to over rule. The amount of debate says that’s not the case, unless the TMO has better images than we get.
I think I heard them say based on the on-field decision, if it had been in Super rugby, a try would have stood, but rules are slightly different in TRC/BC?
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@taniwharugby Not that I know of. It has always been TMO needs clear and obvious to over rule ref or award try.
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@Machpants ah my bad, it was just saying that was how they had looked at it in Super rugby
Referee Paul Willams had already called a try, and normally that means the TMO must have conclusive evidence to overturn the onfield decision.
Throughout Super Rugby Aotearoa and Super Rugby AU that’s how the referees have officiated, as they sought to take more ownership of the game’s decisions.
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Machpants ah my bad, it was just saying that was how they had looked at it in Super rugby
You are actually correct, I think World Rugby changed it in 2018.
World Rugby will be adopting a Super Rugby position for the Autumn internationals when it comes to the TMO protocol.
The following principles were agreed following detailed consideration:
Try scoring should be an on-field decision with the referee being responsible, but the team of four can all contribute.
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Just out of curiosity, does the knock on of losing control of the ball precede the try? Or does the ball have to have no contact on his fingertips before it's a knock on? At what point have you lost control of the ball?
We seem to be studying the law of scoring a try, what is the actual law of losing control?
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Just out of curiosity, does the knock on of losing control of the ball precede the try? Or does the ball have to have no contact on his fingertips before it's a knock on? At what point have you lost control of the ball?
We seem to be studying the law of scoring a try, what is the actual law of losing control?
I understand not a word of this?
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@taniwharugby can anyone put up footage of him after the grounding? Did he look overjoyed or a little suss? Often the player's reaction is a big clue
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
At what point have you lost control of the ball?
when the ball and his hand/finger cease to be in contact.
The argument is that it touched the ground before any separation occurred, meaning it should have been a try.
All a moot point it is in the record books (or not) I bet Ioane will always remember that non-try!
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
At what point have you lost control of the ball?
when the ball and his hand/finger cease to be in contact.
The argument is that it touched the ground before any separation occurred, meaning it should have been a try.
All a moot point it is in the record books (or not) I bet Ioane will always remember that non-try!
It looked marginal and when you put yourself at the mercy of the TMO sometimes you get away with it and sometimes not
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@canefan said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@taniwharugby can anyone put up footage of him after the grounding? Did he look overjoyed or a little suss? Often the player's reaction is a big clue
He looked a bit suss
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https://rugby365.com/countries/australia/rieko-ioane-absolved-of-blame-for-dropped-try
He acted like he scored
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