Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11

Bones

The worst bit about Roane's grounding was watching Daugunu, on debut, absolutely school him in this regard.

ACT Crusader

@Bovidae said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:

Hopefully this is the wake-up call Rieko needs to change the way he scores tries.

A demonstration of his rehabilitation on Sunday would be greatly appreciated.

Would be great for him to come on in the last 20 and score a try of two

[incoming]

Bones

It's funny how differently we all see things though. I remember reading someone in the match thread being irate because he clearly scored and you could tell because the ball bounced. To my mind a ball is a lot more likely to bounce if you throw/drop it than if you place it.

Nepia

@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:

@Nepia said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:

@ARHS said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:

For punishment how about they make him pass to his unmarked winger, and remain in position defensively. I think he has other work-ons to concentrate on.

Are they going to put a fast wing outside him this week?

Is that your masked selection for Sevu? 🤙

I never really thought of him as quick, more a stepper. Quicker than NMS though.

KiwiMurph

@Bones yep given how high the ball bounced i thought straight away that he had stuffed it.

Machpants

@Nepia said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:

@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:

@Nepia said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:

@ARHS said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:

For punishment how about they make him pass to his unmarked winger, and remain in position defensively. I think he has other work-ons to concentrate on.

Are they going to put a fast wing outside him this week?

Is that your masked selection for Sevu? 🤙

I never really thought of him as quick, more a stepper. Quicker than NMS though.

He's quicker than Jordie and Bridge!

voodoo

@Bones said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:

It's funny how differently we all see things though. I remember reading someone in the match thread being irate because he clearly scored and you could tell because the ball bounced. To my mind a ball is a lot more likely to bounce if you throw/drop it than if you place it.

No doubt losing it can make it bounce higher than if you hammer it when holding it right in the middle and keep your hand there. But its not evidence on its own. I remember scoring once and my hand was off centre on the ball and the fucking thing bounced waist high. Luckily the ref was right there.

I thought his grounding was horrible but probably ok technically. But old news now.

On his defensive "error " that led to the try in the corner, I think that was more a lack of combination than anything else. Yeah he crabbed in, but he was fast enough to recover (and he did). JB just didn't trust him to get there, so was too narrow and that flowed on 1 more slot out. If JB had trusted Reiko, it could have been different.

Bones

@voodoo said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:

On his defensive "error " that led to the try in the corner, I think that was more a lack of combination than anything else. Yeah he crabbed in, but he was fast enough to recover (and he did). JB just didn't trust him to get there, so was too narrow and that flowed on 1 more slot out. If JB had trusted Reiko, it could have been different.

Almost like we were watching a guy in his test (starting) centre debut, with a guy inside him having his test (starting) second-five debut and a guy outside him having his second start at wing.

Bones

@voodoo said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:

No doubt losing it can make it bounce higher than if you hammer it when holding it right in the middle and keep your hand there. But its not evidence on its own. I remember scoring once and my hand was off centre on the ball and the fucking thing bounced waist high. Luckily the ref was right there.

And yeah no shit but to be 100% certain it's a try because it bounced is ridiculous.

voodoo

@Bones said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:

@voodoo said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:

On his defensive "error " that led to the try in the corner, I think that was more a lack of combination than anything else. Yeah he crabbed in, but he was fast enough to recover (and he did). JB just didn't trust him to get there, so was too narrow and that flowed on 1 more slot out. If JB had trusted Reiko, it could have been different.

Almost like we were watching a guy in his test (starting) centre debut, with a guy inside him having his test (starting) second-five debut and a guy outside him having his second start at wing.

Almost, almost.

Wait...

voodoo

@Bones someone said that? Yeah, that's odd.

voodoo

@voodoo said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:

@Bones said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:

It's funny how differently we all see things though. I remember reading someone in the match thread being irate because he clearly scored and you could tell because the ball bounced. To my mind a ball is a lot more likely to bounce if you throw/drop it than if you place it.

I thought his grounding was horrible but probably ok technically. But old news now.

Still old news, but I just watched it again, and I've now convinced myself that he dropped it.

Sobering up sucks arse

DMX

I remember being furious with Dagg when he showboated in the final seconds of Tri-Nations decider, (2010 I think) also BB against Ireland in the test after the US loss. Both got away with it but I was filthy that they put the game in the balance just to showboat. Both apologized straight after the game if I remember right.

broughie

@Bones to me it was a muted bounce like pressure, albeit little, was applied.

Bones

@broughie said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:

@Bones to me it was a muted bounce like pressure, albeit little, was applied.

Or muted, as though it had just slipped out of the hand at close distance?

Machpants

I dunno if it was a try, but it should have stood as a try. When the on field decision is try, the TMO has to see something clear and obvious to over rule. The amount of debate says that’s not the case, unless the TMO has better images than we get.

Either way fuck Ioane and his show off shit.

taniwharugby

@Machpants said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:

I dunno if it was a try, but it should have stood as a try. When the on field decision is try, the TMO has to see something clear and obvious to over rule. The amount of debate says that’s not the case, unless the TMO has better images than we get.

I think I heard them say based on the on-field decision, if it had been in Super rugby, a try would have stood, but rules are slightly different in TRC/BC?

Machpants

@taniwharugby Not that I know of. It has always been TMO needs clear and obvious to over rule ref or award try.

taniwharugby

@Machpants ah my bad, it was just saying that was how they had looked at it in Super rugby

Referee Paul Willams had already called a try, and normally that means the TMO must have conclusive evidence to overturn the onfield decision.

Throughout Super Rugby Aotearoa and Super Rugby AU that’s how the referees have officiated, as they sought to take more ownership of the game’s decisions.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300130296/all-blacks-vs-australia-did-rieko-ioane-score-a-try-or-not