Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11
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@cgrant said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Bones said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Ok late to the party, here we go...
Frizzel, looked like he was finally going to step up in the first 15 mins, then faded pretty badly and became a background player.
Taylor - what happened to the guy that came in and replaced Coles and didn't miss a beat with being an attacking game changer?
Ofa - definitely needs to pick his moments better but was a shining light in our tight 5 physicality.
Tuipulotu - what happened to the barnstorming blues player? Melted into the background much like Frizzel.
Whitelock - surprised to see him getting grief, ball in hand he actually made a couple of really good runs into the defence, unfortunately it's offset by the amount of times (like the rest of the forwards) he gets the ball standing still 5m behind the gain line and has no chance. What the fuck is up with this pattern?
Savea - didn't look himself at all, is he injured? Getting dragged back by the opposition 9 who's probably the smallest in the oppo isn't exactly a good look for an 8.
Smith - again looked off his game, 80% of his game was there, but surprisingly lacked accuracy in his passing and decision making, especially early.
Mounga looked like a debutant out of his depth.
Goodhue - similar type of game to Whitelock, the rest has been said - he's a great centre and defender.
Roane - thought he had an excellent game for a debut centre, then he goes and fucks up that try, illustrating that uncontrollable ego that irks so many of us. Surely he could eat some humble pie by now?
DMac - about a hundred times better than any other footy he's played this year, but another one having that covered up by deadly errors.
Clarke - surely he's starting next match?
Sotutu - surely he's starting next match?
All in all, just so many fuck ups from a team that used to pride itself on accuracy.
The worst thing for me - it all played out exactly how many would have predicted from the dire team selected. How the fuck can average Joe see this shit and Foster can't. What is he making his decision on that we don't know?
Highlight - Smith's try was a gorgeous bit of salt in the wounds and if we'd won it would have made a great highlight vid paired up with the Wallas go at the same move. Especially if someone else hadn't acted the fucktard and could score a try like the Wallabies debut winger.
Smith
Beauden
Clarke
ALB
Goodhue
Reece
JordiePerenara
Mounga
Roane.I agree totally with your comments. Just one point : Ofa T misses a lot of tackles, just because he is tempted to mark his opponent physically. Moody does not miss tackles but his aren't dominant. So what is the better option ? Stay static and let your opponent gain momentum, or try to make an offensive tackle with the risk of missing it ?
Yep too right - I'd like to see him persisted with, as I don't see why he can't improve. If he can pick his moments better it very much compliments the Moody style defence too.
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@kev said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@reprobate The best analysis yet. Thanks for that.
Yes I thought it was pretty good though not so sure about MacKenzie analysis.
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Riko was in! - found proof on Reddit -
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@Bones said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
For Bridge to be effective he needs to make up the difference with his high work rate, kick chase and strong defence. None of this was apparent on the weekend so you aren't left with very much.
Yeah spot on - he needs to be contesting every kick and winning most, not standing off watching or knocking it on when he does attempt.
Or getting stepped by his opposite more than half the time
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@gt12 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Bones said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@gt12 similarly, I'm not convinced Beauden has the pace he used to have. Some evidence of that (this year) would be nice.
Laumape for the right wing!
Don't be preposterous.
Clearly he's a left winger.
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@Bones said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@gt12 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Fair point. Clarke plays in 14.
What’s next?
You're not getting it, Foster wants specialists.
Clarke is locked in at 12.
No, the solution is to put Ardie there. It’s time.
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@gt12 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Bones said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@gt12 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Fair point. Clarke plays in 14.
What’s next?
You're not getting it, Foster wants specialists.
Clarke is locked in at 12.
No, the solution is to put Ardie there. It’s time.
Now we're getting somewhere, I guess Clarke can shuffle out. So we're getting close to completing the Fozzie specialist backline:
9 DMac
10 Perenara
11 Beauden
12 Savea
13 Clarke
14 Jordie
15 Bridge.About right?
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@pukunui said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@junior said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@canefan said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@junior said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader He basically walks up to the ruck, puts his hand on top of the wallaby then casually walks away. The next drive the ruck is directly under the posts. Its at this stage he should be demanding the ball to throw it over. WTF is he even doing at the ruck. The rest of the backline are out waiting.
That last shot of the 4 (bottom right) is quite telling - look at the space behind the ruck, right in front of the posts, basically the perfect spot for him to casually knock it over.
Like our failure in 2007 it has to be a failure of the onfield leadership group, its not up to Richie to call his own number
I don't disagree that there needs to be some collective accountability. However, by the same token, if your 10 does not have the nous or courage to make the big call in that situation, and more importantly put himself in a position to be the match winner, you have to wonder whether he has the temperament for test footy.
Rubbish! RM was in position for the droppie more than once. TJP needs to take the heat for not directing the play and giving the pass to RM for the DG attempt.
This is the exact same situation as against SA in 2018/2019 where we were camped 5m out and instead of BB or Dmac setting for a DG they tried to go for the try and Dmac dropped it cold.
NZRU definitely got the continuity they wanted when they hired Fozzie. Unfortunately it is a continuation of shit performances and brainless rugby.
Actually the Saffer defender knocked it on. But same effect.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/ja6hsj/the_holy_post/
Might make a pilgrimaqe down to Te Papa.
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On Rieko's grounding, and me saying his lax grounding technique has been bugging me for a few years.
I think, he botched a grounding few years ago away, v Argentina away, but got away with it. But warning, my memory is atrocious of anything about post circa-1996 ... this nugget of info could be 100% wrong. anyone else ? Maybe it was a time he grounded it like that in the wet?, or he grounded it like that when a cover defender was getting darn close ... I can't remember specifics.
For the record I think his grounding was technically just ok on Sunday. Don't agree with the decision on that occasion.
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@Rapido said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
On Rieko's grounding, and me saying his lax grounding technique has been bugging me for a few years.
I think, he botched a grounding few years ago away, v Argentina away, but got away with it. But warning, my memory is atrocious of anything about post circa-1996 ... this nugget of info could be 100% wrong. anyone else ?
For the record I think his grounding was technically just ok on Sunday. Don't agree with the decision on that occasion.
Technically just OK?
It either was or wasn't.
TMO protocols are clear. An on-field call of try means clear evidence is needed to overturn. Has anyone seen a clear picture of separation with finger and ball?
I know it was possible that there was. Can even understand a call of likely. But possible and likely aren't criteria. Clear evidence is. -
@Crucial i think he lost it and no try, but no, i havent seen a perfectly clear pic of separation between finger tip and ball
this is proabably as clear as ive seen, his hand would have too be pretty long (longer than his other one) to still be touching it...but its still far from clear
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Rapido said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
On Rieko's grounding, and me saying his lax grounding technique has been bugging me for a few years.
I think, he botched a grounding few years ago away, v Argentina away, but got away with it. But warning, my memory is atrocious of anything about post circa-1996 ... this nugget of info could be 100% wrong. anyone else ?
For the record I think his grounding was technically just ok on Sunday. Don't agree with the decision on that occasion.
Technically just OK?
It either was or wasn't.
TMO protocols are clear. An on-field call of try means clear evidence is needed to overturn. Has anyone seen a clear picture of separation with finger and ball?
I know it was possible that there was. Can even understand a call of likely. But possible and likely aren't criteria. Clear evidence is.It's just ok in that if he was an inch taller, or he was placing it at one of those points on a field with one of those cricket style lift a hatch irrigation tap parts of the ground that are in a dip .... or he was standing a bloody footstool ..... - the ball would have seperated from his hand before touching the ground.
But he wasn't, and it didn't.
I've only watched it on the screen above the bar queues in the concourse (and on a laptop since). With no commentary to hear the TMO conversation. But I saw no separation. I was genuinely surprised when the decision was
made.I don't think the TMO was making that decision on separation, I think he had a different opinion of in-control.
How can the ball be grounded in in-goal?:
- A. by holding the ball and touching the ground with it,
- B. by pressing down on it with hand/s, arm/s, or front of the body from waist to neck.
From: https://www.rugbytoolbox.co.nz/referees/law-questions-and-answers/law-21-in-goal
A. is for a player carrying the ball to the line
B. is for a player chasing a kick or diving on a loose ball.SO, I think I have a different opinion of in control than the TMO, and I suspect out another TMO in there they would have had a different opinion also.
Just my thoughts on trying to mind read someone else's thoughts of which I heard none.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crucial i think he lost it and no try, but no, i havent seen a perfectly clear pic of separation between finger tip and ball
this is proabably as clear as ive seen, his hand would have too be pretty long (longer than his other one) to still be touching it...but its still far from clear
He's already squashed that mutha-f@cking ball into a 2 inch deep hole.
