All Black Coach - Ian Foster
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Dropping out early seems weak to me.
Where I work, you apply for jobs you want to show willing, even if another candidate is likely to get the position. That way the people in charge know that you are interested in promotion, and consider pathways to get you there.
Neither Rennie nor Joseph can be so busy at the moment that they can't take a few days to be interviewed by NZR surely.
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@Chester-Draws said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Dropping out early seems weak to me.
Where I work, you apply for jobs you want to show willing, even if another candidate is likely to get the position. That way the people in charge know that you are interested in promotion, and consider pathways to get you there.
Neither Rennie nor Joseph can be so busy at the moment that they can't take a few days to be interviewed by NZR surely.
Sounds like a great idea to me. I mean why not accept a new job but then apply for another one? Surely that's what people at your work do too?
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@Chester-Draws There are maybe five jobs available for these coaches. That isn't comparable with senior teaching positions, or few other occupations.
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@Chester-Draws said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Dropping out early seems weak to me.
Where I work, you apply for jobs you want to show willing, even if another candidate is likely to get the position. That way the people in charge know that you are interested in promotion, and consider pathways to get you there.
Neither Rennie nor Joseph can be so busy at the moment that they can't take a few days to be interviewed by NZR surely.
If you are an internal candidate NZRU employed candidate - sure.
In both cases if Rennie and Joseph didn't accept the preemptive offers the Unions probably would have needed to open applications otherwise it wouldn't be until mid-to-late January that a decision could be made at the earliest.
Cotter showed he was willing in 2011 and where did that get him? Overlooked for a Super post by all reports.
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@Bones I was going through the Police application process a number of years back, got through all the initial testing and they wanted me to do a week of ride alongs, although I had just accepted and about to start a new job (this is 4 months after being made redundant) and they (the police) couldnt understand why I wouldnt tell my new employer of my intentions.
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@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Bones I was going through the Police application process a number of years back, got through all the initial testing and they wanted me to do a week of ride alongs, although I had just accepted and about to start a new job (this is 4 months after being made redundant) and they (the police) couldnt understand why I wouldnt tell my new employer of my intentions.
And thus, TR quit his newfound head coach job and the blues were never the same again.
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@Tim said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I hope that's true, because it makes sense. Neither are a proven international head coach type. Robertson a gamble, foster part of a fading regime. Two use to prove your worth. However since everyone else out there is in until next RWC, will would they find to replace them if needed?
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If they only offer a 2 year one , they should start the search for the next coach now to ensure they dont miss out on anyone.
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@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
If they only offer a 2 year one , they should start the search for the next coach now to ensure they dont miss out on anyone.
Apparently
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@Bovidae said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I had forgotten that Hansen originally only had a 2-yr contract. Common sense from NZR.
Henry's in 2004 and 2008 were two-year deals also.
I imagine the term/salary on offer was made known to all the cadidates as the outset. One of the major reasons why a four year guranteed deal was attractive to Joseph and Rennie.
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Two years would also be a good option if they want to start with Foster as head coach and Robertson as assistant, and then Robertson taking over after 2 years. It would make it easier for Robertson to accept an assitant coach role. They could preserve some continuity and Robertson at the same time could be useful to already start some changes, then giving him free reign if he takes over after 2 years. If he doesn't prove worthy to take over after two years, they can still search for a new head coach.
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@rotated said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I imagine the term/salary on offer was made known to all the cadidates as the outset. One of the major reasons why a four year guranteed deal was attractive to Joseph and Rennie.
And who could blame them.
Two years seems long enough to have an impact, one way or the other, as Rassie demonstrated. 2020 will be a transition year so some leeway will be given if progress is being made.
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@Bovidae but what is 'acceptable' in terms of bedding in new systems, processes etc?
1 loss a year acceptable?
3 over 2 years?
4 over 2 years?For me 3 in 2 is par for the course, 4 is probably still ok but not ideal...anything more...
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@taniwharugby I looked at the stats before posting.
In 2012, there was a draw vs Aust and a loss vs England in the last game of the season. In 2013, the ABs went undefeated.
In 2016, there was the loss to Ireland in Chicago. In 2017, a draw and loss to the Lions and a loss to Aust.
To answer your question, winning all home tests should be a minimum. An away loss to SA or Aust in either year wouldn't be a surprise and is historically par for the course. Just as importantly, the coach and players should be judged on the performance not just Ws and Ls.
