Hansen
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Oh and by the way, this post 2015 team just isn't a patch on the previous side stacked with all-time greats. No-one could have done any better with the cattle available. Losing convincingly to a very good England side shouldn't be a major surprise to anyone given the patchy form shown throughout the 2016-19 era and the lesser standard of players available in general.
Who was the coach throughout the 2016-2019 era before tonight?
This side is no 2015 (and the fact the current team believes they are somehow related to them is probably 25% of the problem) - but two world class locks, experienced loose forward trio and decent skill position backs is more than enough to put together a RWC winner.
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Hansen had the squad to win the WC, he was just out coached by Eddie, simple as that. Hansen is still a good coach and did plenty for NZ rugby. I’m putting a full stop on his era and looking forward to the next one.
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Steve Hansen inherited Graham Henry's once in a generation team. He did nothing with it.
We've been poor for the past three years.
Flat track bullies who were owned by Ireland and England.
Like John Mitchell in 2003 he was out of ideas so he went with the hot Super Rugby team. And he selected a lot of duds. Bridge, Scott Barrett, Reece, Mounga. Discarded experience and selected mediocrity. Also like Mitchell he's an arrogant tool who likes to criticize players in public. I hope Ioane and Luatua are having some bitter laughs.
I can sort of imagine you ejaculating as you write. Like you’ve been waiting for a loss so you can beat your little drum. Pathetic
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@Billy-Tell I've been saying it for three years. His flaws are obvious.
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@Billy-Tell said in Hansen:
Steve Hansen inherited Graham Henry's once in a generation team. He did nothing with it.
We've been poor for the past three years.
Flat track bullies who were owned by Ireland and England.
Like John Mitchell in 2003 he was out of ideas so he went with the hot Super Rugby team. And he selected a lot of duds. Bridge, Scott Barrett, Reece, Mounga. Discarded experience and selected mediocrity. Also like Mitchell he's an arrogant tool who likes to criticize players in public. I hope Ioane and Luatua are having some bitter laughs.
I can sort of imagine you ejaculating as you write. Like you’ve been waiting for a loss so you can beat your little drum. Pathetic
Rubbish, he and others have been worried about this all year. Nobodies happy we lost, but we are frustrated at the predictability of it
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@Billy-Tell said in Hansen:
Steve Hansen inherited Graham Henry's once in a generation team. He did nothing with it.
We've been poor for the past three years.
Flat track bullies who were owned by Ireland and England.
Like John Mitchell in 2003 he was out of ideas so he went with the hot Super Rugby team. And he selected a lot of duds. Bridge, Scott Barrett, Reece, Mounga. Discarded experience and selected mediocrity. Also like Mitchell he's an arrogant tool who likes to criticize players in public. I hope Ioane and Luatua are having some bitter laughs.
I can sort of imagine you ejaculating as you write. Like you’ve been waiting for a loss so you can beat your little drum. Pathetic
Rubbish, he and others have been worried about this all year. Nobodies happy we lost, but we are frustrated at the predictability of it
Ah the wise in hindsight brigade. Post me your pre match predictions...or no one will believe you.
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Remember when he picked an injured Squire ahead of Luatua for the squad that couldn't beat the Lions?
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@Billy-Tell I picked NZ to lose this tournament.
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Hansen had the squad to win the WC, he was just out coached by Eddie, simple as that. Hansen is still a good coach and did plenty for NZ rugby. I’m putting a full stop on his era and looking forward to the next one.
This is the frustration of it all. If we had to play again next week I would back us to adjust and win semi-comfortably.
What has become predictable is the requirement for wake up call after wake up call...
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@Billy-Tell said in Hansen:
@Billy-Tell said in Hansen:
Steve Hansen inherited Graham Henry's once in a generation team. He did nothing with it.
We've been poor for the past three years.
Flat track bullies who were owned by Ireland and England.
Like John Mitchell in 2003 he was out of ideas so he went with the hot Super Rugby team. And he selected a lot of duds. Bridge, Scott Barrett, Reece, Mounga. Discarded experience and selected mediocrity. Also like Mitchell he's an arrogant tool who likes to criticize players in public. I hope Ioane and Luatua are having some bitter laughs.
I can sort of imagine you ejaculating as you write. Like you’ve been waiting for a loss so you can beat your little drum. Pathetic
Rubbish, he and others have been worried about this all year. Nobodies happy we lost, but we are frustrated at the predictability of it
Ah the wise in hindsight brigade. Post me your pre match predictions...or no one will believe you.
Posts are up on the forum, feel free to use the search
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Fuck off aucklanders. Rieko had been average and the wings were hardly the problems. Not picking Cane was shit. Beauden played shit. Subbing goodhue was shit. Plenty of dumb stuff, but not crusaders bias.
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@Billy-Tell said in Hansen:
@Kirwan Exactly. And dropping Ioane and Cane was really aggravating.
Every 50/50 selection call had a Crusader bias too.
Seriously?!
This is the conspiracy theory nut job stuff.
Hansen has even been saying as much the past few weeks. "Even the guys that haven't played a lot of rugby have experience playing big finals games for the Crusaders etc etc."
I don't think he is doing it out of myopia like Deans in 2002/3 but he for sure has drunk the Crusader's kool-aid this year.
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@Billy-Tell said in Hansen:
@Kirwan Exactly. And dropping Ioane and Cane was really aggravating.
Every 50/50 selection call had a Crusader bias too.
Seriously?!
This is the conspiracy theory nut job stuff.
Bridge, Reese, stupid Barrett at 6, Richie over BB at ten, broken Read persisted with, Taylor over Coles.
Each selection went the Crusaders way.
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and it likely cost NZ another RWC. Its essential that NZ selects a head coach that is seen as being a fair selector where any players gets a fair go regardless of team. And stacking the team with 9 Crusaders starters does not achieve this. Henry did it (being seen as fair). As did Smith.
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@reprobate 5 to 1 in our examples, and still persisted with Franks for two years when he was rubbish.
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@reprobate 5 to 1 in our examples, and still persisted with Franks for two years when he was rubbish.
Crotty broken with no game time yet taken over in-form Laumape.
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and it likely cost NZ another RWC. Its essential that NZ selects a head coach that is seen as being a fair selector where any players gets a fair go regardless of team. And stacking the team with 9 Crusaders starters does not achieve this.
Unlikely to change much with the new CEO being an ex-Crusader.
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I assume that he'll explain that this week we lost because of the shit coaching of Fozzie, Stormy, and Crono. If they were amazing last week, I assume it's due to them - in no small part (especially the fucking weak defense Stormy) - that we lost this week. I assume that will be mentioned at the presser.
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Imagine if our loose forwards were Luatua and Cane.
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Bridge is too slow to be an international wing. Reece was fine, Beaunga isn't that bad. Cane should have started but we mostly lost that in the forwards, not the backs.
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@reprobate 5 to 1 in our examples, and still persisted with Franks for two years when he was rubbish.
Really? sbw was rubbish. Nepo was rubbish, ardie was rubbish, Brodie was outplayed, persisted with despite injury, TJ brought on early was rubbish, ALB did bugger all, jordie was crap. Where's the bias in that?
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Bridge is too slow to be an international wing. Reece was fine, Beaunga isn't that bad. Cane should have started but we mostly lost that in the forwards, not the backs.
They made huge metres targeting where we were hiding Richie. Put us under huge pressure. Then he disappeared in the second half and BB tried to play two positions.
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@antipodean said in Hansen:
Imagine if our loose forwards were Luatua and Cane.
Imagine a trio of Luatua, Cane and Vito with Ardie off the bench.
I think Ma'a Nonu would have done better than SBW off the bench too.
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Agree. Limited coach who only won game because of the quality of NZ players.
But his decision to stack the team with a number of very limited Crusaders players (including Barrett who is not a 6) was really his main downfall
So he's a limited coach because he had great players AND a poor coach because he picked such limited Canterbury players? Surely he must have been a brilliant coach to get limited Crusaders players to support the brilliant players sufficiently to win a few games here and there.
And if we are flat track bullies, world rugby must have been dire over the last four years.
Focussing on it as a provincial issue ignores players that were tried and either found wanting or who were injured. While it might make you feel better blaming another part of the country, it ignores any real issues that need to be addressed.
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Bridge is too slow to be an international wing. Reece was fine, Beaunga isn't that bad. Cane should have started but we mostly lost that in the forwards, not the backs.
They made huge metres targeting where we were hiding Richie. Put us under huge pressure. Then he disappeared in the second half and BB tried to play two positions.
True, but I was meaning more as a squad tactic than the the SF specifically. Agree that in the SF, Richie needed to be pulled early or trade places with BB on defence (similar to what they used to do with Mehrtens).
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Bridge is too slow to be an international wing. Reece was fine, Beaunga isn't that bad. Cane should have started but we mostly lost that in the forwards, not the backs.
They made huge metres targeting where we were hiding Richie. Put us under huge pressure. Then he disappeared in the second half and BB tried to play two positions.
This is such ignorant bullshit. The 2 playmakers pattern has not Mounga and Barrett playing behind the line as dual fullbacks, they're not hiding Richie. It was exactly the same when jordie played 10. We're they hiding him too?
Bridge is too slow to be an international wing. Reece was fine, Beaunga isn't that bad. Cane should have started but we mostly lost that in the forwards, not the backs.
They made huge metres targeting where we were hiding Richie. Put us under huge pressure. Then he disappeared in the second half and BB tried to play two positions.
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A garbage post. Fucking garbage.
But time for a full coaching clean out now. Bring in Razor and give him full reign to choose his staff. McLeod may survive but I doubt Razor will want the baggage.
I think it’s time to step away from Crusader country.
We will, Foster will be the Coach same as Henry was reinstated The powers that be will drag out the Old you have to lose to know how to win Bullshit.
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The new AB coach should be completely removed from the current setup and super rugby to have fresh eyes and no provincial loyalties.
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We will, Foster will be the Coach same as Henry was reinstated The powers that be will drag out the Old you have to lose to know how to win Bullshit.
I'm not so sure. Two key differences...
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From Paris 2004 to Cardiff 2007 the team was impeccable and had two tinny single digit losses in the republic (Rustenburg FFS) and our traditional loss in Australia in a RWC year. There was a pretty good argument that Cardiff was an aberration.
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Ted was reappointed with Smith and Hansen on board and went up against Deans who could only find Pat Lam willing to work with him. Better coaches than Deans with better assistants than Lam will be apply for this job.
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We will, Foster will be the Coach same as Henry was reinstated The powers that be will drag out the Old you have to lose to know how to win Bullshit.
I'm not so sure. Two key differences...
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From Paris 2004 to Cardiff 2007 the team was impeccable and had two tinny single digit losses in the republic (Rustenburg FFS) and our traditional loss in Australia in a RWC year. There was a pretty good argument that Cardiff was an aberration.
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Ted was reappointed with Smith and Hansen on board and went up against Deans who could only find Pat Lam willing to work with him. Better coaches than Deans with better assistants than Lam will be apply for this job.
Well lets see I am picking a Foster/Brown scenario
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@reprobate said in Hansen:
@reprobate 5 to 1 in our examples, and still persisted with Franks for two years when he was rubbish.
Really? sbw was rubbish. Nepo was rubbish, ardie was rubbish, Brodie was outplayed, persisted with despite injury, TJ brought on early was rubbish, ALB did bugger all, jordie was crap. Where's the bias in that?
Whaaaaaat? Ardie was the best fucken player out there. The rest of the hurricanes....super yuck.
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Oh and by the way, this post 2015 team just isn't a patch on the previous side stacked with all-time greats. No-one could have done any better with the cattle available. Losing convincingly to a very good England side shouldn't be a major surprise to anyone given the patchy form shown throughout the 2016-19 era and the lesser standard of players available in general.
Given that we lost the best ever centre pairing, the GOAT, and two other all time greats after 2015, the level of expectation in terms of dominance was unfounded. I think it is time for a complete change now in AB management, but I will always rate Hansen - He's still one of the classiest people around in the way he thinks about the good of the game at a world level and also the way he has represented the ABs during some very major disruptive events.
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Not an easy the press conference after an AB RWC defeat, but Hansen didn't badly with the press tonight.
Time for a clear out at the top.
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