RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1)
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@NTA said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
I had a think about it and put my comments on Twitter. Here they are redrafted for the Fern:
England don't rely on bounce of the ball. They may never be the most creative set of individuals but roles and responsibilities are understood and executed using the talents they have - an Eddie Jones hallmark.
The ABs historically have a hard-nosed approach to the basics, but in recent years they've become a little tinny with some of their "miracle" plays like Barrett magic. They didn't have that, and tried too hard to find it last night.
The "we will out-Kiwi them eventually" doesn't always stick
You got a couple of rough calls from Nigel, which also historically hasn't happened (with Owens or any other ref). At that point the contrasts between leadership of McCaw and Read were highlighted.
The NZRFU systems will ensure that kind of loss remains a rarity, but it's time for a refresh in the coaching ranks.
In a way I'm disappointed (ABE) but would a threepeat with another tinny win be good for the game as a whole?
No.
Also interested to see ex-Fern stalwart Red Beard on Twitter, speculating about absences:
What's Red Beard's Twitter handle?
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@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Will be interesting to see how England go in the final ,
Obviously they targeted the AB game big time ,
And some times its difficult to back up a big performance in consecutive weeks
Gatland had that same swipe at England (funnily enough not at SA), Eddie's reply was priceless.
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@Catogrande said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Will be interesting to see how England go in the final ,
Obviously they targeted the AB game big time ,
And some times its difficult to back up a big performance in consecutive weeks
Gatland had that same swipe at England (funnily enough not at SA), Eddie's reply was priceless.
Mine wasnt a swipe as such , just know that we have had the same issue ourselves at times
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@antipodean said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Sumo thinks Scotty Barrett brings more physicality than Cane:
Clearly it wasn’t about lineouts, because they were an absolute shit show
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@Catogrande said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Will be interesting to see how England go in the final ,
Obviously they targeted the AB game big time ,
And some times its difficult to back up a big performance in consecutive weeks
Gatland had that same swipe at England (funnily enough not at SA), Eddie's reply was priceless.
Disagree, Gatland's done a great job Wales with limited resources. Eddie's done a great job too, but he has had the RFU millions at his disposal.
Going to be very interesting indeed to see how England cope with the media hype and the overwhelming weight of expectation this week. Eddie Jones is acting like he's the king of the world. I wonder if he'll be so cocky next Monday? The pressure was being favourites as done funny things to sides' minds in the past. Going to be no one in Tokyo as busy this week as England's mental skills coach.
Easy week for South Africa psychologically. Nothing to lose. Given the political mess the Springboks were in a few years ago and that they lost their opening game, winning the Rugby Championships and making the RWC final is a magnificent achievement by Rassie Erasmus.
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@sparky said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Amazing to think the side that demolished the All Blacks on Saturday were the same lot as conceded 38 consecutive points to Scotland in March:
World Cups in September/October aren’t won in March.
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@ACT-Crusader Indeed. That is the lesson. Eddie Jones' made sure his team has kept learning over the last 2 years that is for sure.
It was an odd game as well. England demolished Scotland in the first 35 minutes. Whatever it said on the scoreboard, England were better than that. Then they obviously relaxed a bit and back Scotland came.
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@pakman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Cane would have made a difference.
Also think he adds a lot in the leadership department - sadly lacking today.
Yeah, it's utter BS to pretend Cane wouldn't have made a difference when starting even if the result stayed the same - we have a much better chance of a win if he starts.
Agreed.
But S Barrett is the fall guy for a very shit Read performance and captaincy.
Unfair IMHO.
Excellent point.
I think Read has been a great All Black, but he is no legend - his five missed tackles (ESPN stats) tell the story of a guy who is either injured or past it. If he was amazing last week against a shit Ireland, how can he be amazing - with those stats - against England? He ran OK (25 metres off of 8 runs), but his captaincy tonight was pretty appalling - he and the team looked lost. He's been surviving on being McCaw's successor and tonight showed that it's all for shit. We were under pressure., but this wasn't 2011 8-7, this was a hammering, and he was front and center missing tackles.
Maybe he was carrying an injury?
Perhaps, in which case I'd have preferred us to have had real 8 cover there, like Steven Luatua, who we could have kept in the country if we'd ever considered that happening at a WC. Of course, we could have easily put Ardie there for this game with Cane at 7. If he was injured - that badly - I'd have a bit less respect for him as he should put the jersey and the prize first. Had we won, he'd have captained us in a final.
I know that sounds contrite, but there has only ever been one AB good enough - in the modern era - to play through injury, and he's been retired since 2015 - strangely enough - the last time we won the cup.
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@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@sparky said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Amazing to think the side that demolished the All Blacks on Saturday were the same lot as conceded 38 consecutive points to Scotland in March:
World Cups in September/October aren’t won in March.
Yeah never understood it. All Blacks would put 60 points on Scotland.
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@pakman You must have been at the game......is all I can think of....
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@Jailbreak7 said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@pakman You must have been at the game......is all I can think of....
Just like Dublin 1991, Ellis Park 1995, Twickenham 1999, Sydney 2003, and Cardiff 2007.
I see a pattern emerging.
BUT in my defence was ALSO at 2011 and 2015 finals!
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This from Reddit -
Pretty happy we didn’t vote for this flag right about now
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@Daffy-Jaffy I'm too dense, what?
Oh the arrow? Only works if it was enveloping the black not the red
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As expected. England got fined for advancing over the half way during the haka. Apparently less the the 2500 opunds France got in 2011, as that was all the team. Ridiculous since World Rugby promoted it as awesome on social media.
But Rules is Rules, I guess
Dane Coles has the best lines:
"They earn a shitload of money so they'll be able to pay the fine," Coles said with a chuckle. "They're a pretty wealthy union so they can take the hit.
"I thought it was awesome, that's what the haka is about, it's a challenge. They walked forward. I know all the boys were pumped for it we were looking around like 'let's go'.
"From an All Blacks perspective we didn't think it was bad. We thought it was awesome."
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Composure by Michael Lynagh:
Ireland 18 - Oz 19 RWC Quarter 1991
“I’d taken over the captaincy as Nick (Farr-Jones) had gone off injured. I knew I had to come up with something precise and factual. I was determined not to resort to the cliche of, ‘don’t panic, don’t worry’. There were no clocks at the ground so I asked referee Jim Fleming how long there was to go. Four minutes, came the reply. So, that’s what I said to the boys. I stuck to the facts. ‘Four minutes, still time, we’ll kick long from the restart, press, they’ll kick out and we’ll strike from the lineout’. In fact, Nick told me only the other week that he’d have kicked short to contest the ball if he had still be on the field and captain. So, there we are – what might have been.”
What was is that Ireland scrum-half Rob Saunders sliced his clearance, Australia had a lineout around the 22-metre line, David Campese took it up and was on hand later in the sequence but was tackled. Lynagh’s role had been to track play. He swooped and dived over the line.
QED
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@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Saying read has a tight calf , didn’t train , spent the morning on the bike in the gym
I wonder if this was an issue in the game last week?
