RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1)
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@Bones said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Haaaaa
After Whitelock's hand made contact with Farrell's head to get him out of the ruck, TJ Perenara asked Farrell if he was playing in the Premier League, rather than the Rugby World Cup semifinal.
They knew what Farrell was like....and simply played his game.
The lack of intelligence at times in the game was breath-taking.
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@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Like France the weekend before, the margin during the match was never insurmountable and whilst under pressure NZ were never starved of possession.
It's what they did and didn't do with the ball that did for them.
Poor choices on the field by the players and no real Plan B.
The problem wasn't so much no real Plan B as there were about 30 plan Bs none executed repeatedly or with conviction.
Also Hansen and Foster's Plan A was boll*cks.
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@cgrant said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Would DMac have done better ?
Dunno. But he may have found a way of changing the game, Ritchie looked out of sorts with the pressure he was under.
Not saying Mo'unga lacks intestinal fortitude, but DMac seems to me to be one seriously hard mother - physically and mentally.
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After a nights sleep...
I really think we could have pinched that game - and I'm not taking anything away from England. There were times when we started to come good and then buggered things up by forgetting the basics. E.g.:
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BBBR took the wrong decision on the breakout. Had he passed we should have scored. 7-7 and we'd have been back in it.
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We had a line-out throw 5m from the English line - and blew it. How that happened with our lineout options is beyond me,
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When Cole made the break up-field there was very little support. Opportiunity was wasted.
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Whitelock's penalty. Again, if we'd kicked that it would have been game on
Read at times had a strange look in his eyes - like a rabbit facing a car. Think he epitomized the almost total lack of leadership from the senior players in the game. He really isn't good under pressure.
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And Ceri Evans (All Blacks performance psychiatrist) hasn’t been at his usual morning gym this last few weeks. Presumably he’s been in Japan also.
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@Victor-Meldrew have to disagree on the Coles break. He totally ran away from any support and didn't even look to come back inside to find his team mates.
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Crucial moments :
- The missed tackle on Daly. It gave England a big momentum, they scored and then on, they never looked back. This first try gave them the confidence they needed.
- Retallick's missed pass. Had the ball reached Savea, NZ would have scored. At 7-all, this might have forced England to play a tighter game for which the All Blacks were prepared. Instead, the All Blacks lost their collective cohesion, with players trying to change the facet of the game on their own. Accordingly, England's confidence grew even higher.
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@booboo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@SammyC said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
No concerns with that loss. We were outplayed and Eddie Jones did his thing.
Never got the criticism of Itoje because he’s played like this before. Well done that man.
Look forward to seeing the ABs one more time against the Boks. 😎
The criticism of Itoje is NZ rugby fan arrogance at its best.
I think it has been deserved previously.
... perhaps not now ...
Itoje has been playing well for a while now.
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@cgrant said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Crucial moments :
- The missed tackle on Daly. It gave England a big momentum, they scored and then on, they never looked back. This first try gave them the confidence they needed.
- Retallick's missed pass. Had the ball reached Savea, NZ would have scored. At 7-all, this might have forced England to play a tighter game for which the All Blacks were prepared. Instead, the All Blacks lost their collective cohesion, with players trying to change the facet of the game on their own. Accordingly, England's confidence grew even higher.
The reversal of PK against Whitelock was the key moment for me.
We were just starting to get into the game. We could have had a lineout 10m out from the line, 9 points down and about 20 minutes to go. Instead we lost the ball and 30 metres. Honestly I feel we would have been a chance at a memorable comeback had we kept that PK.
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@Damo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@cgrant said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Crucial moments :
- The missed tackle on Daly. It gave England a big momentum, they scored and then on, they never looked back. This first try gave them the confidence they needed.
- Retallick's missed pass. Had the ball reached Savea, NZ would have scored. At 7-all, this might have forced England to play a tighter game for which the All Blacks were prepared. Instead, the All Blacks lost their collective cohesion, with players trying to change the facet of the game on their own. Accordingly, England's confidence grew even higher.
The reversal of PK against Whitelock was the key moment for me.
We were just starting to get into the game. We could have had a lineout 10m out from the line, 9 points down and about 20 minutes to go. Instead we lost the ball and 30 metres. Honestly I feel we would have been a chance at a memorable comeback had we kept that PK.
We were fuck all mate. At no time did I think we were in the game. Ssdly
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@canefan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Damo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@cgrant said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Crucial moments :
- The missed tackle on Daly. It gave England a big momentum, they scored and then on, they never looked back. This first try gave them the confidence they needed.
- Retallick's missed pass. Had the ball reached Savea, NZ would have scored. At 7-all, this might have forced England to play a tighter game for which the All Blacks were prepared. Instead, the All Blacks lost their collective cohesion, with players trying to change the facet of the game on their own. Accordingly, England's confidence grew even higher.
The reversal of PK against Whitelock was the key moment for me.
We were just starting to get into the game. We could have had a lineout 10m out from the line, 9 points down and about 20 minutes to go. Instead we lost the ball and 30 metres. Honestly I feel we would have been a chance at a memorable comeback had we kept that PK.
We were fuck all mate. At no time did I think we were in the game. Ssdly
Yeah but we have won games like that plenty of times in the past.
In SA last year for instance when we were rubbish for 60 minutes and stole it in the final 20.
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@Damo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@cgrant said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Crucial moments :
- The missed tackle on Daly. It gave England a big momentum, they scored and then on, they never looked back. This first try gave them the confidence they needed.
- Retallick's missed pass. Had the ball reached Savea, NZ would have scored. At 7-all, this might have forced England to play a tighter game for which the All Blacks were prepared. Instead, the All Blacks lost their collective cohesion, with players trying to change the facet of the game on their own. Accordingly, England's confidence grew even higher.
The reversal of PK against Whitelock was the key moment for me.
We were just starting to get into the game. We could have had a lineout 10m out from the line, 9 points down and about 20 minutes to go. Instead we lost the ball and 30 metres. Honestly I feel we would have been a chance at a memorable comeback had we kept that PK.
I agree with that. We had moments and given the score hadn’t blown out, we just need to take those moments to build towards our end.
What makes that play worse was that Owens had blown the penalty and Whitelock went in after the whistle to get the ball out. Farrell was still into after the whistle. The rest is history as they say.
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@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@booboo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@SammyC said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
No concerns with that loss. We were outplayed and Eddie Jones did his thing.
Never got the criticism of Itoje because he’s played like this before. Well done that man.
Look forward to seeing the ABs one more time against the Boks. 😎
The criticism of Itoje is NZ rugby fan arrogance at its best.
I think it has been deserved previously.
... perhaps not now ...
Itoje has been playing well for a while now.
Yeah, I'll begrudgingly admit he had a top game against us at Twickers.
Don't watch any other England games so can't comment beyond that.
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@booboo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@booboo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@SammyC said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
No concerns with that loss. We were outplayed and Eddie Jones did his thing.
Never got the criticism of Itoje because he’s played like this before. Well done that man.
Look forward to seeing the ABs one more time against the Boks. 😎
The criticism of Itoje is NZ rugby fan arrogance at its best.
I think it has been deserved previously.
... perhaps not now ...
Itoje has been playing well for a while now.
Yeah, I'll begrudgingly admit he had a top game against us at Twickers.
Don't watch any other England games so can't comment beyond that.
No, I’ll politely disagree with that one - was completely outplayed by the Retallick that day and was a key component of a disintegrating lineout which cost England the match that day
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@Damo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@canefan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Damo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@cgrant said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Crucial moments :
- The missed tackle on Daly. It gave England a big momentum, they scored and then on, they never looked back. This first try gave them the confidence they needed.
- Retallick's missed pass. Had the ball reached Savea, NZ would have scored. At 7-all, this might have forced England to play a tighter game for which the All Blacks were prepared. Instead, the All Blacks lost their collective cohesion, with players trying to change the facet of the game on their own. Accordingly, England's confidence grew even higher.
The reversal of PK against Whitelock was the key moment for me.
We were just starting to get into the game. We could have had a lineout 10m out from the line, 9 points down and about 20 minutes to go. Instead we lost the ball and 30 metres. Honestly I feel we would have been a chance at a memorable comeback had we kept that PK.
We were fuck all mate. At no time did I think we were in the game. Ssdly
Yeah but we have won games like that plenty of times in the past.
In SA last year for instance when we were rubbish for 60 minutes and stole it in the final 20.
Your head can spin thinking about the what ifs , we had key moments but I guess England had moments too where they had to settle for 3s instead of tries. The most painful one for me is the set piece at lineout time falling apart, we would have prepared for that, our locks should have had parity and we still had options with Read and Barrett. As painful as it was it’s hard to imagine England not being the number 1 team at the moment with ABs not far behind. There will be some forced changes next year but I don’t think a huge change of course is necessary for ABs. Hopefully exodus of core group will be limited because that is probably the biggest obstacle to success going forward.
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@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Damo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@cgrant said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Crucial moments :
- The missed tackle on Daly. It gave England a big momentum, they scored and then on, they never looked back. This first try gave them the confidence they needed.
- Retallick's missed pass. Had the ball reached Savea, NZ would have scored. At 7-all, this might have forced England to play a tighter game for which the All Blacks were prepared. Instead, the All Blacks lost their collective cohesion, with players trying to change the facet of the game on their own. Accordingly, England's confidence grew even higher.
The reversal of PK against Whitelock was the key moment for me.
We were just starting to get into the game. We could have had a lineout 10m out from the line, 9 points down and about 20 minutes to go. Instead we lost the ball and 30 metres. Honestly I feel we would have been a chance at a memorable comeback had we kept that PK.
I agree with that. We had moments and given the score hadn’t blown out, we just need to take those moments to build towards our end.
What makes that play worse was that Owens had blown the penalty and Whitelock went in after the whistle to get the ball out. Farrell was still into after the whistle. The rest is history as they say.
Unnecessary and dumb by Whitelock.
But geez Farrell milked it like he was a Premier League soccer player.
He is a really talented rugby player. But stuff like that just reinforces my intense dislike for him on a rugby pitch.
