RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B)
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@Bovidae I think as the ball got to the back Garces wanted the scrum to be over rather than reset, given when he dropped it there was zero impact on the scrum and made sense to let it go.
Couple of overheads you could see Kitsoff boring in, but they were let go too.
I prefer that than endless resets we get sometimes.
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@Rapido although a couple of forward passes they got away with made up...one was on one of Colbys electric runs...think was the last few mins they were over the ball for an age and didnt get it.
I know it's hard to look with both eyes open at the time but I think both teams can feel aggrieved/lucky with some calls.
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@NTA said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:@Damo same principle - and if memory serves, no more rucks were formed in a way that puts steph du toit offside.
I think there was a ruck formed prior to the pass which was intercepted.
I am agnostic as to whether it was offside or not. I reckon an AB may have ran 5m with the ball and/or we had reached the advantage line prior to the intercept. SDT was retreating. It looked really bad, but ref might have been right to let it go.
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I see some are having a moan about the 'disrespect' shown during the Haka by opposition fans.
Fark some people are so precious they need to pull their farking heads in.
It is sport, fans can react how they like.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:I see some are having a moan about the 'disrespect' shown during the Haka by opposition fans.
Fark some people are so precious they need to pull their farking heads in.
It is sport, fans can react how they like.
Spot on. You can say you find it disrespectful, and ask people to do something, but it's up to them. LIke me booing kickers, I know some people find it disrespectful, but frankly I don't care
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@chimoaus said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:Maybe I’m getting confused between penalty advantage and knock on advantage.
You will search the Laws in vain for any difference. This is a fairly recent, made-up, distinction.
But I agree with Hydro that clear possession with a territory gain is definitely advantage. That one didn't bother me at all.
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@nzzp said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:@taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:I see some are having a moan about the 'disrespect' shown during the Haka by opposition fans.
Fark some people are so precious they need to pull their farking heads in.
It is sport, fans can react how they like.
Spot on. You can say you find it disrespectful, and ask people to do something, but it's up to them. LIke me booing kickers, I know some people find it disrespectful, but frankly I don't care
Same with the opposition team, they don't have to stand and watch the haka, they're just not allowed to close up. I'm more than happy, and I'm sure the ABs are, for them to practise or huddle.
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@Nepia too unco...scroll down
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@taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:@Nepia too unco...scroll down
It's now the second option, I 100% couldn't find it earlier.
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Hi all,
It’s funny how some things never change, back in the fern for the first time in a long hiatus and all the usual suspects are still active... respect.
Anyhoo tough game and happy to have that out of the way with a win. South Africa were impressive, had arguably the wrong tactics in the first half when they had decent ball, but will happily take that.
Scott Barrett was immense early on and Ardie was a machine and George Bridge reminds me of a young Ben Smith/Cory Jane with his aerial nouse.
For any if the foreign media/coaches complaining about rough calls, clearly Garces missed a lot from both sides, we just converted more of the opportunities we had even with little early ball and am glad the debarkle surrounding Sam Cane HIA didn’t cost us.
Saying all that the Boks weren’t bad when they opened up and Kolbe had fricken spiders on him. If they actually decide to play attacking rugby, we may see them later in the comp.
Great win, still have work ons, which we want including our scum and line out. I know it was extravagant but would love to see them try the move with the throw to Reece again, if executed that would have really created gaps.
Lastly, I had the team leaked via a friend the night before, I called BS but for the first time ever this tip was spot on. It still could have been luck, but if correct they said Retallick could have played if required. Expect to see him back soon then.
Cheers all, thanks for the views, loving it sitting in an airport.
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@Chester-Draws said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:@chimoaus said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:Maybe I’m getting confused between penalty advantage and knock on advantage.
You will search the Laws in vain for any difference. This is a fairly recent, made-up, distinction.
But I agree with Hydro that clear possession with a territory gain is definitely advantage. That one didn't bother me at all.
It certainly isn't a fairly recent distinction. It has been around a long time, certainly at least as old as when I had my first stint as a referee in 1999.
It makes perfect sense too. The advantage one gets from a PK offence should be more significant that that from a scrum offence because the restarts are so different. A PK allows a team to move up the field 30-40 metres and/or kick a goal.
A scrum merely allows possession.Advantage law gives a very wide discretion to the referee to decide. A good way of approximating advantage is to put yourself in the shoes of the captain and ask yourself whether - at that exact moment - he would prefer the current situation or to have the sanction offered. It isn't an exact science but this is one test to think about.
This particular one was clearly ok. It was tactical as well as territorial advantage. The AB's had good quality ball and freedom to use the ball as they wished. The fact they threw this away does not alter the fact that advantage had easily been achieved. Going back for the offence would have meant a defensive 5m scrum, 5m from touch.
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@Rapido said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:@Damo said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:@Siam said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:@Damo I wondered if the ALB tackle/ruck redefines an offside line making the interceptor a lazy runner, as he was coming back from the kolbe knock on.
Dunno, but it looked wrong
It looked wrong sure.
However a player can be put onside after a ruck by retreating to the line of the ruck, OR by a ball carrier running 5m with the ball. I didn't see it close enough to definitely say neither of those things happened.
Is this true?
That used to be the case back in the day eg Mike Brewer pinning Gav Hastings Auckland 1990, 10m circle etc.I thought that changed with 1992 law changes.
Has something changed again,
Yep it is true. Whether it should be or not is a good question.
The caveat is that the offside plyer must be retiring. He can't loiter, wait to be put onside and then get involved in play.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:I see some are having a moan about the 'disrespect' shown during the Haka by opposition fans.
Fark some people are so precious they need to pull their farking heads in.
It is sport, fans can react how they like.
David Campese rarely stood with the team during the haka, often wandering back towards the goal posts with a ball tossing it about and kicking it while he waited.
No-one cared and I do not recall people remarking on it - this was, of course, in the olden days before people dressed up to take to the streets in search of offence, or evident advantage that just wasn't fair, or unacceptable and inappropriate inappropriateness, and reasons to threaten to neck themselves if you didn't care.
For mine the haka is part of a grand spectacle and the sports administrators are better off focusing on their job of giving the people good reason to turn up.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:@Rapido although a couple of forward passes they got away with made up...one was on one of Colbys electric runs...think was the last few mins they were over the ball for an age and didnt get it.
I know it's hard to look with both eyes open at the time but I think both teams can feel aggrieved/lucky with some calls.
Yes. My post wasn't an attempt at a list of Garces mistakes. Was an attempt to think of other instances that could have added to NZ penalty count in an otherwise remarkable discipline effort by NZ. Although I did drift into the knockons.
My list in my head of Garces mistakes and missed fouls favouring SAF is longer - but then obviously one of my eyes is bigger than the other.... most already been discussed anyway.
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@sparky One of the most impressive things in that movement was A Smith line he ran after his pass. He made a direct line to where Reece would likely be if he made a break, turns out he did and Smith was in the perfect place to take a pass and link to Savea. Its those little things that make the difference.
