2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo)
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@bones said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
@majorrage said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
@sparky said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
Link to Monye's comments. Prattish stuff since GB missed out of a medal. Good to see that the majority of respondents have unliked them.
What on earth is wrong with that? Apart from population being 5mm now.
Totally fair for me.
Because NZ and Fiji have always battled it out at the top of the tree in 7's, since fucken day dot.
Because why would 15's success translate to 7's success.
Because why would success in the World Series (the clue being series) translate to a one off tournament (where the game of 7's is even more prone to fluctuations in form).
Because why the fuck is silver not a success (and for a bit of whataboutery, population of GB is 66m).
Blimey your skin is thin.
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@sparky said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
@majorrage Fiji winning Olympic Gold is hardly a surprise for anyone who follows 7s. NZ not really the force in 7s they once were. 15s and 7s increasingly different games. A Silver by this squad was a very good result in an increasingly competitive sport.
No kidding. Monye just asking if nz be disappointed. I think that’s fair.
Question relating to why not translating us reaching a bit but hardly worth getting upset about.
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@bones said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
@majorrage said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
@sparky said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
Link to Monye's comments. Prattish stuff since GB missed out of a medal. Good to see that the majority of respondents have unliked them.
What on earth is wrong with that? Apart from population being 5mm now.
Totally fair for me.
Because NZ and Fiji have always battled it out at the top of the tree in 7's, since fucken day dot.
Because why would 15's success translate to 7's success.
Because why would success in the World Series (the clue being series) translate to a one off tournament (where the game of 7's is even more prone to fluctuations in form).
Because why the fuck is silver not a success (and for a bit of whataboutery, population of GB is 66m).
There was also a stat that the AB 7s have lost 9 finals in a row to Fiji - so why would he think we would suddenly beat them in a final in the biggest tournament in 4 years?
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@majorrage said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
@sparky said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
@majorrage Fiji winning Olympic Gold is hardly a surprise for anyone who follows 7s. NZ not really the force in 7s they once were. 15s and 7s increasingly different games. A Silver by this squad was a very good result in an increasingly competitive sport.
No kidding. Monye just asking if nz be disappointed. I think that’s fair.
Question relating to why not translating us reaching a bit but hardly worth getting upset about.
The Springboks are the current 15s world champs so why did their 7s team get knocked out in the quarter finals? People in RSA must be disappointed
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@junior said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
@majorrage said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
@sparky said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
@majorrage Fiji winning Olympic Gold is hardly a surprise for anyone who follows 7s. NZ not really the force in 7s they once were. 15s and 7s increasingly different games. A Silver by this squad was a very good result in an increasingly competitive sport.
No kidding. Monye just asking if nz be disappointed. I think that’s fair.
Question relating to why not translating us reaching a bit but hardly worth getting upset about.
The Springboks are the current 15s world champs so why did their 7s team get knocked out in the quarter finals? People in RSA must be disappointed
I’d imagine they are. What’s your point?
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@majorrage said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
@bones said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
@majorrage said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
@sparky said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
Link to Monye's comments. Prattish stuff since GB missed out of a medal. Good to see that the majority of respondents have unliked them.
What on earth is wrong with that? Apart from population being 5mm now.
Totally fair for me.
Because NZ and Fiji have always battled it out at the top of the tree in 7's, since fucken day dot.
Because why would 15's success translate to 7's success.
Because why would success in the World Series (the clue being series) translate to a one off tournament (where the game of 7's is even more prone to fluctuations in form).
Because why the fuck is silver not a success (and for a bit of whataboutery, population of GB is 66m).
Blimey your skin is thin.
Because I think Monye is a moron? Ok....
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@nevorian said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
Stoked for Fiji well done to them.
They did it hard, and totally deserved it
Fiji stun All Blacks in rugby sevens final to win Olympic gold again
Fiji retained their Olympic rugby sevens crown with a 27-12 gold medal win against New Zealand at the Tokyo Stadium
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@canefan said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
The girls are on a mission
"never want to feel like that again"
Love that chat.Great thing about the women's competition is that it's legitimately the best women's rugby players in the world competing.
As opposed to the Men's competition which is predominately populated by journeymen lol -
@frye said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
"never want to feel like that again"
Love that chat.Great thing about the women's competition is that it's legitimately the best women's rugby players in the world competing.
As opposed to the Men's competition which is predominately populated by journeymen lolAnd it is basically NZ's to lose at this point. Don't think Australia have the firepower as demonstrated by the recent match ups.
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@arhs said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
@frye I think you are being grossly unfair there. Have you watched at all? The passing skills and the defensive covering agility are phenomenal. The 15s guys are more powerful but I think our 7s guys are world class
In comparison to other 7s players they are. But in XVs they hardly look like world beaters. For some reason our 7s programme doesn't appear to be unearthing the Cullens and Lomus etc it used to do.
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@antipodean said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
@arhs said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
@frye I think you are being grossly unfair there. Have you watched at all? The passing skills and the defensive covering agility are phenomenal. The 15s guys are more powerful but I think our 7s guys are world class
In comparison to other 7s players they are. But in XVs they hardly look like world beaters. For some reason our 7s programme doesn't appear to be unearthing the Cullens and Lomus etc it used to do.
There are a lot of very similar players in the NZ sevens squad. Generally big, generally quick but not fast, generally good at all the basic skills, generally very, very fit. None of that skill set is going to get you far at international level 15s. There doesn't seem to be the spontaneous playmaker, outrageous runner/stepper or speed merchant that Sevens always used to throw up.
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Heard Dallas Seymour on radio this morning. He says that we play too little sevens in NZ. That players can't transition from 15-7's and so we need a domestic comp to uncover new talent.
He hinted that this is why we see the same faces consistently - compounded by COVID I guess.
Would like to see a domestic sevens series played early in the footy season to both unearth talent and give players more opportunities to learn and develop their skills. Compared it to Fiji where 7's is the main game and players are into it constantly from a very early age.
Also said that our team did well and could have won but for poor decision making under pressure and defensive lapses.
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@antipodean said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
@arhs said in 2020 -> 2021 Olympic Sevens (Tokyo):
@frye I think you are being grossly unfair there. Have you watched at all? The passing skills and the defensive covering agility are phenomenal. The 15s guys are more powerful but I think our 7s guys are world class
In comparison to other 7s players they are. But in XVs they hardly look like world beaters. For some reason our 7s programme doesn't appear to be unearthing the Cullens and Lomus etc it used to do.
That's more to do with better talent identification in the XVs than a failing on the part of 7s.
In the early Titch days players were spotted at national 7s. Young players would do that tournament while the established XVs players were taking a break over summer. I remember how he used to camp out on the sideline and walk away with a list of potentials.
Not only has 7s become a more specialist code but XVs players are snapped up from exposure in 1st XV rugby which has become much bigger.
7s has turned to finding other athletes that they can turn into players rather than finding players that could be good at 7s. The Red Bull Ignite tournament is a vehicle for all sorts of aspiring athletes to see how they go in the sport.
The women's game is slightly different in that it is more like the old mens pathway.Put simply we aren't going to find the Cullys and Jonahs in 7s now as they would be contracted elsewhere while at school.
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Honestly I don't think this team is much worse than previous ones, I think the rest of the world has got a lot better, especially with the entry to the Olympics giving it a better platform and more funding access.
Our best players have always gravitated to the 15 man format so that's also nothing new. I think the suggestion of a national circuit is a good idea, but I suspect 7s generates very little revenue for nzr so they're never going to invest much.
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