TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98)
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@Rebound said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@booboo whoever posted that and wrote the tweet is really naff. So the clean out is fine cause Retallick was in on the side. So the cleanout which came from even further from the side was legal???
He's a South African.
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You really want something different from your reserve props so Ta'avao is a more sensible option than Laulala. The fact Angus was picked ahead of Nepo might suggest the coaches are thinking the same. Selection for the Perth test might provide some clarity on their pecking order. Karl needs to play to force his case because you can't pick him on June 2018 form. His EOYT form was very average.
Karl T nees a run?! Seems TWM leaning towards Ta'avao...
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And as I said before it’s all a knock on effect of BB flaky goalkicking. ABs are not scoring enough tries to count on BB kicking goals. Mounga has to be the goal kicker and BB has to go to 15 and Bender has to be on the wing. That said not sure I have seen a game where our wings posed zero threat on attack.
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@pakman said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Duluth said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Snowy said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Nah. He is an AB fullback to me. He has been shifted to wing when it suits, but he is a full back.
Smith offers so much more at fullback. He’s ok on the wing, but I want him touching the ball more often and making more decisions
Want Bender in the team as wise heads are essential come knock out time. That said, Beaudy looked deadly at 15 and was my MOTM. Bender available at 14 OR 15 is for me a good arrow to have in the quiver.
I've been dead against the BB at 15 brigade, mostly because he's the best 10 and I have doubts about RM at 10. But after the other night I'm starting to change my tune. He isn't just a good 15, he could be a great 15. We only need RM not to fark up and to kick goals. I think it's worth giving another shot. The worst case is that BB just goes back to 10.
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I think we miss Dmac.
Him at 15 kicking goals, BB at 10, and RM off the bench, and we’d be far more dangerous (or any other combination that doesn’t involve Dmac starting at 10 as well).
Given the cattle we’ve got, I think we should start Barrett at 10, get Smith back to 15, and go full out attack. Bring Richie (and probably ALB, although it would be Laumape or Ennor in my team) off the bench with 20 to go, and try to run wild. The kicking has and will be a problem, and may be the losing of a game, but I don’t see how we’ll beat teams kicking penalties anyway.
If we do want to play Barrett at FB, then Smith’s position has to be under threat ala Mils in 2011. Luckily for Smith, Bridge was lost on defense, which may be his savior.
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@gt12 said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
I think we miss Dmac.
Him at 15 kicking goals, BB at 10, and RM off the bench, and we’d be far more dangerous (or any other combination that doesn’t involve Dmac starting at 10 as well).
Given the cattle we’ve got, I think we should start Barrett at 10, get Smith back to 15, and go full out attack. Bring Richie (and probably ALB, although it would be Laumape or Ennor in my team) off the bench with 20 to go, and try to run wild. The kicking has and will be a problem, and may be the losing of a game, but I don’t see how we’ll beat teams kicking penalties anyway.
If we do want to play Barrett at FB, then Smith’s position has to be under threat ala Mils in 2011. Luckily for Smith, Bridge was lost on defense, which may be his savior.
So if DMac was available Ben Smith wouldn’t be in the starting lineup?
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He’d be under the same pressure he is now.
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@gt12 said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
The kicking has and will be a problem, and may be the losing of a game, but I don’t see how we’ll beat teams kicking penalties anyway.That's dangerously close to what Robbie Deans said in 2003. I think his words were, "Goal kicking won't be a point of difference".
I thought at the time that wasn't his sharpest observation.
Lots of scenarios where kicking the extra goal can prove crucial.
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@gt12 said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
I think we miss Dmac.
Him at 15 kicking goals, BB at 10, and RM off the bench, and we’d be far more dangerous (or any other combination that doesn’t involve Dmac starting at 10 as well).
Given the cattle we’ve got, I think we should start Barrett at 10, get Smith back to 15, and go full out attack. Bring Richie (and probably ALB, although it would be Laumape or Ennor in my team) off the bench with 20 to go, and try to run wild. The kicking has and will be a problem, and may be the losing of a game, but I don’t see how we’ll beat teams kicking penalties anyway.
If we do want to play Barrett at FB, then Smith’s position has to be under threat ala Mils in 2011. Luckily for Smith, Bridge was lost on defense, which may be his savior.
Hmm I don’t know. Dmac was a big part of the team last year and we sucked then too. If anything the loss of Dmac will force them to dial back the attack at all costs helter skelter style they looked to be going for last year. That style isn’t going to help stop all the handling errors that have been killing our attack.
RM-BB is a step in the right direction to a style that can win a RWC IMO. But it needs time to bed in because we wasted last season on BB-Dmac which was too far to one extreme and provided no variation. -
Interestingly and for some weird reason BB doesn't seem to have a problem when kicking in the second half of the season. He's been at or near 100% the past three tours I think. Maybe it won't be an issue but I obviously wouldn't bet the house on that.
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I don't think its some kind of a choice that we are not scoring tries. Lets look at the last 4 test quality games we have played, SA, Argentina, Ireland and England, off the top of my head I don't even know if we managed a try a game. 2015 I think we had a much more coherent attack but Carter's boot was still critical in the semi and final. My biggest dissapoinment with Bender is he looked like no chance to beat his man on the outside but I would still want him in the team a WC knockout match. 1st 3 names on backs teamsheet BB, Mounga and Bender.
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@Chris-B said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@gt12 said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
The kicking has and will be a problem, and may be the losing of a game, but I don’t see how we’ll beat teams kicking penalties anyway.That's dangerously close to what Robbie Deans said in 2003. I think his words were, "Goal kicking won't be a point of difference".
I thought at the time that wasn't his sharpest observation.
> Lots of scenarios where kicking the extra goal can prove crucial.
Every tight final, ever.
Two finals have been decided on drop-kicks. Last time it was only a drop kick got us home over the Boks in the semis.
The second last Cup it was a long range penalty by Beaver that won it for us.
Any team without an accurate goal-kicker and some drop goal ability is just waiting to be beaten in a tight game.
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@Chester-Draws said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Chris-B said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@gt12 said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
The kicking has and will be a problem, and may be the losing of a game, but I don’t see how we’ll beat teams kicking penalties anyway.That's dangerously close to what Robbie Deans said in 2003. I think his words were, "Goal kicking won't be a point of difference".
I thought at the time that wasn't his sharpest observation.
Lots of scenarios where kicking the extra goal can prove crucial.
Every tight final, ever.
Two finals have been decided on drop-kicks. Last time it was only a drop kick got us home over the Boks in the semis.
The second last Cup it was a long range penalty by Beaver that won it for us.
Any team without an accurate goal-kicker and some drop goal ability is just waiting to be beaten in a tight game.
The part I have bolded. It could be said of that the 2011 final - a partial reason it was so close was that Weepu left 8 points on the table in the first half - with his poor goalkicking that night. Not a criticism, we were down to like 4th choice 10s (6th choice if you count the self-exiled like Nick Evans and Luke McAllister) and an emergency goalkicker.
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The concerning thing is that BB as the senior player apparently decides who is going to kick, he or RM. I read early this morning that the only reason that BB asked RM to take over the kicking duties in the test against the Boks was because BB had cramp in his calf. What if he hadn't asked?
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@Chester-Draws Donald misses that kick, game restarts at 22, not half way...so you dont know what happens after that...maybe they restart, Read takes ball on full runs 30m to score...maybe they catch on full run 75m and score...
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while our defence has been very good in the past 2 games, on reflection v SA we gave up alot down the left wing, when both Ioane and Bridge were there, so I did wonder if it points more to whatever structure they are trying to play than both players finding themselves out of position a number of times?
I dont recall it being an issue v Argentina, but then we did play slightly differently again, either that or Rassie saw a weakness in our defensive structure there from that game?
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