Has Hansen gone stale?
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@nepia said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@frank said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@billy-tell said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
Rennie is one of the most overrrated coaches. Initial success with the Chiefs then very average.
Overrated mostly by Nepia. Not sure who else is stroking his schlong.
Wheres the yawn emoji? Wins Super rugby twice [INSERT] with long term failures the Chiefs, wins three U20s in a row and lulls us into thinking they're easy until we start loosing a few, takes over a basket case province when their coach quits and makes them way more competitive than they should be. Oh, also won a rare NPC for Wellington when he was a baby coach back in the day.
But yeah, overrated and average.
[INSERT] with Wayne Smith responsible for attack and strategy [/INSERT]
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@nepia said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@frank said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@billy-tell said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
Rennie is one of the most overrrated coaches. Initial success with the Chiefs then very average.
Overrated mostly by Nepia. Not sure who else is stroking his schlong.
Wheres the yawn emoji? Wins Super rugby twice with long term failures the Chiefs, wins three U20s in a row and lulls us into thinking they're easy until we start loosing a few, takes over a basket case province when their coach quits and makes them way more competitive than they should be. Oh, also won a rare NPC for Wellington when he was a baby coach back in the day.
But yeah, overrated and average.
But what has he done since? Glasgow is hardly blazing new ground. He’s a decent enough coach but not AB head coach imo.
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@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
99 was a choke. A deadset choke.
'99 - wasn't that the year all the rugby journos & NZ rugby public seemed to run a concerted campaign to play Cullen, the best fullback in the world, at 13?
And the AB selectors duly obliged, giving new meaning to the phrase "Never get what you wish for"...
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Aren't they leading their competition pool and didn't they lead their pool last year too? If I'm wrong, I apologize, but what's expected of him?
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@gt12 said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
Aren't they leading their competition pool and didn't they lead their pool last year too? If I'm wrong, I apologize, but what's expected of him?
Maybe he is expected to be a Cantabrian. Or maybe an ex All Black. Something important, no doubt.
Rennie's track record, starting with teams considered very average, is exemplary. Even better, he actually brings a fresh set of ideas to the game.
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@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
God 2002 was shit year.
Highlights the games v South Africa, a good win at home, and a win in Durban. But the world's most boring game v the Wallabies, then a loss. Took the Taine/Jonah/Cully farewell tour away with a squad guaranteeing they would lose, and they did.
Our team was so underwhelming, the results were a bit shit, just a forgettable year.
Funnily enough, until the World Cup in 2011, the only year i had been to more than one AB test (Fiji and Saffers in Wellington)
Mark fucking Robinson at centre over Tana!!!
14 Cantabs and Jonah....who started at 14 i think cos Caleb Ralph was 11?!?!?
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@taniwharugby I see Mark Reason has left the reservation.
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@antipodean was he ever on it?
Outrage must generate alot of clicks for Stuff!
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That's a lot of rage for a rumour from random ex Irish player who chatted to an ex abs player that heard some rumblings! It even says would open up a slot for possibly foster, an expectation ( from who, Marshall? He doesn't even know the rules of rugby let alone what the board's plans are) there still would be an appointment process FFS.
Also if they keep the same winning ratio, including world cups and Bledisloe, I don't care if it becomes a heredity position!
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I don't care how the NZRU appoint the coach tbh.
Think of it like any business. Sometimes it is prudent to appoint from within, sometime you take the opportunity to refresh.
What annoys me is places that make it policy to advertise everything despite knowing that they have an internal preference. Big waste of time for everyone, especially outside applicants. They only do this so that they don't look like they are searching for something better but settling for what is there. They can say to internal applicants that they have to have a look.
If the NZRU assess that it is best to continue the current course without a shakeup then they live or die on that decision. They are better placed to decide whether a shakeup is required.
I'm glad that the days of kneejerk appointments based on flavour of the month have gone. That's what led to the Moonhead journey.
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Until we know what happens in Japan, all the speculation is meaningless. Doing the three-peat is a massive bargaining chip for Hansen and his assistants - and vice versa.
I also highly doubt Schmidt is retiring aged 53. Same goes for Gatland. I'm sure the NZRU is in dialogue with both men.
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@mofitzy_ said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
I also highly doubt Schmidt is retiring aged 53. Same goes for Gatland. I'm sure the NZRU is in dialogue with both men.
I just don't get this concept that because a coach is successful in the NH that they are the best placed to continue driving the ABs forward with innovations and abilities ahead of everyone else.
These guys have done very well to pull previous basket case teams into solid units and in Schmidt's case has shown some very good tactical analysis.
This is an entirely different proposition to taking a team that is at the front of the pack and looking to keep ahead by reacting to the reactions of those chasing.
Look at what the current coaching regime are currently doing. They know that they can't continue the way they are going as every other team works out how to shut that down and have to go through some 'tough' times while readjusting and preparing to overcome that.
We don't want to slog it out on an even footing, we want to be on the high ground.Coaches from within the NZ systems will be far more in tune with how we are evolving and I would hate that the ABs played like Wales or Ireland.
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@mofitzy_ said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@crucial
Perhaps you are right but Henry and Hansen both went straight from NH to NZ. I also think both coaches have an understanding of horses for courses, I don't think they would try to have NZ play exactly like Ireland or Wales.That was when we needed consolidation and a shakeup, so yes, get the best proven managers with the best ideas to come in and sort shit out.
I don't think we are in that position now.
