Springboks V All Blacks
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ooooooosh...
I really like ALB, actually a bit disappointed the AB's didn't give Crotty & ALB the first shot as our centre pairing last season, I thought they complimented each other really well that first season they were paired together (2016?) and if anything - the AB's have looked stifled more often than not since then.
I don't feel SBW has ever really set the rugby world on fire, except for 40min in a RWC final (yes hes done other great things)...it would actually be amazing if Ma'a Nonu could light up Super Rugby so much that hes irresistable for one last RWC...(unlikely I know)It does seem the Goodhue is potentially an AB great. He just has all the attributes doesn't he and just gets better and must be close to our first choice 13 now.
What do the selectors see in SBW?
Doesn't offer a lot on attack apart from the offload (apparently the AB's had just one collectively in the most recent test - that had to be a tactic right?)
Defensively... well, apparently our 10-12-13 missed something like 10 tackles on the weekend.
He doesn't have pace, he doesn't have dancing feet, Laumape is more of a wrecking ball, Crotty seems a better passer.
SBW didn't trouble the Springboks with his physicality.
Actually would've been interesting to see how Laumape might've gone on Saturday just been. -
@mariner4life
Leg break is a massive overreaction, the ball bounced in the direction it came from. if there was a leg break it would not have gone out so close to the tryline. I think its preety clear he didn't intentionally bounced it in the field first, but how took a calculated risk with a good chance to come off should he not get it out on the full -
Massive whingefest happening on the sarugbymag facebook page. The usual complaints about the ABs being favoured by the ref etc and the Boks being robbed of victory.
I felt the ref was pretty fair, he made some bad calls against both teams but no real howlers.
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@akan004 said in Springboks V All Blacks:
Massive whingefest happening on the sarugbymag facebook page. The usual complaints about the ABs being favoured by the ref etc and the Boks being robbed of victory.
I felt the ref was pretty fair, he made some bad calls against both teams but no real howlers.
That stuff is music to my ears. Means we are back in the winners circle.
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@akan004 said in Springboks V All Blacks:
Massive whingefest happening on the sarugbymag facebook page. The usual complaints about the ABs being favoured by the ref etc and the Boks being robbed of victory.
I felt the ref was pretty fair, he made some bad calls against both teams but no real howlers.
Really? Which calls were even contentious? The forward pass? Never saw a great angle of it honestly but it was more than offset by the awarding of the try that never was 5 mins after.
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What's the story with Faf not being available for the whole EOYT?
I get that the England game is timed before the international window (not that it seems to have affected England) but surely SA can call on him for international duty for the other games? -
@majorrage The forward pass and the last lineout throw which was apparently crooked. Didn't look that bad to me.
Some are also whinging about the Boks not receiving a penalty in the lead up to the Barrett try when they had their guy latched onto the ball and the AB didn't release it. That looked 50/50 to me, I wasn't entirely convinced that the Bok player had his hands on the ball. TJ did a fantastic job of grabbing the ball before the ref had a chance to make a decision anyway.
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@majorrage said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@akan004 said in Springboks V All Blacks:
Massive whingefest happening on the sarugbymag facebook page. The usual complaints about the ABs being favoured by the ref etc and the Boks being robbed of victory.
I felt the ref was pretty fair, he made some bad calls against both teams but no real howlers.
Really? Which calls were even contentious? The forward pass? Never saw a great angle of it honestly but it was more than offset by the awarding of the try that never was 5 mins after.
All the Saffas at the pub were calling it a forward pass but I think more from hope than evidence. I doubt very much that the TMO would have had grounds to overturn that given the angles we saw.
More a classic case of forward catch rather than forward pass.As for 'the try that never was', another hard one to judge. If you watch frame by frame there is one clear and legal attempt to plant the ball that is also clearly short at the moment of planting but as the cleanout comes over the top there is also a frame that shows the ball apparently grazing the line. Was this the same movement or a second go? Could easily argue that you can plant the ball down in one forward motion.
It wasn't clear on either count (movement or touching line) but neither was it clear to negate the try.
So yeah, a try each that could possibly be ruled out but neither were howlers.
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@akan004 said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@majorrage The forward pass and the last lineout throw which was apparently crooked. Didn't look that bad to me.
Some are also whinging about the Boks not receiving a penalty in the lead up to the Barrett try when they had their guy latched onto the ball and the AB didn't release it. That looked 50/50 to me, I wasn't entirely convinced that the Bok player had his hands on the ball. TJ did a fantastic job of grabbing the ball before the ref had a chance to make a decision anyway.
If TJ got the ball then it was released by whoever was holding it. If a Saffa had their hands on the ball they wouldn't have released it, therefore pretty hard to claim that they were hard done by.
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@crucial said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@akan004 said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@majorrage The forward pass and the last lineout throw which was apparently crooked. Didn't look that bad to me.
Some are also whinging about the Boks not receiving a penalty in the lead up to the Barrett try when they had their guy latched onto the ball and the AB didn't release it. That looked 50/50 to me, I wasn't entirely convinced that the Bok player had his hands on the ball. TJ did a fantastic job of grabbing the ball before the ref had a chance to make a decision anyway.
If TJ got the ball then it was released by whoever was holding it. If a Saffa had their hands on the ball they wouldn't have released it, therefore pretty hard to claim that they were hard done by.
If it's the moment I'm thinking of the saffa was playing the ball on the ground, that's why he let go
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@akan004 said in Springboks V All Blacks:
Massive whingefest happening on the sarugbymag facebook page. The usual complaints about the ABs being favoured by the ref etc and the Boks being robbed of victory.
I felt the ref was pretty fair, he made some bad calls against both teams but no real howlers.
I watched the game live on telly.
I also put myself through the pain of watching it again on Sunday.
On both occasions I didn't have any major gripe with the refereeing calls. Some go for you, some don't.
If one had to be pedantic, probably the one call that was less than 50:50 was Kolbe's try.
Delighted that it was given to us, but if I was in the TMO box I would not have given it.The rabid bok fan in me would've dished out a yellow card to the offside AB's in the first half after penalty no.5 in a row though....
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@billy-webb Gus was fine - reffed breakdown consistently and you don't get to bitch about skew lineouts if you don't really contest.
I have no time for fans who whinge about calls instead of focusing on all the points the boks left on the table. Or their decision to try grind down almost 4 minutes from the middle of the park instead of pushing the ball into the corner and looking for more points from aggro defence and counterattack. It was working all game, got to dance with them that brung ya.
On the other hand, now is a perfectly fine time to remember the single most infuriating call in the history of this great rivalry:
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@smuts said in Springboks V All Blacks:
On the other hand, now is a perfectly fine time to remember the single most infuriating call in the history of this great rivalry:
Probably not the single most infuriating in the entire history, but certainly in recent history.
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This guy does great analysis, his day job for Leinster I think
I hope Hansen listens and gives it some time against Ireland's rushing defence
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@rebound said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@mariner4life
Leg break is a massive overreaction, the ball bounced in the direction it came from. if there was a leg break it would not have gone out so close to the tryline. I think its preety clear he didn't intentionally bounced it in the field first, but how took a calculated risk with a good chance to come off should he not get it out on the fullIt was more a flipper.
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@smuts said in Springboks V All Blacks:
On the other hand, now is a perfectly fine time to remember the single most infuriating call in the history of this great rivalry
That was frustrating, and wrong. The second yellow for leading with an elbow, though, was just plain stupid. It's not like that call got him the red card.
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@akan004 said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@majorrage The forward pass and the last lineout throw which was apparently crooked. Didn't look that bad to me.
Some are also whinging about the Boks not receiving a penalty in the lead up to the Barrett try when they had their guy latched onto the ball and the AB didn't release it. That looked 50/50 to me, I wasn't entirely convinced that the Bok player had his hands on the ball. TJ did a fantastic job of grabbing the ball before the ref had a chance to make a decision anyway.
TJP did great work at ruck time when he came on. Instead of flapping his arms at the ref like A Smith was, he was reaching in and ripping the ball out - on that occasion he saved us as it meant the Bok player was fighting him for the ball and not the player on the ground, meaning play on.
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@smuts said in Springboks V All Blacks:
On the other hand, now is a perfectly fine time to remember the single most infuriating call in the history of this great rivalry:
To get that wrong in real time would be acceptable, as from a certain angle it would be possible for an optical illusion to make the ref think it was head high.
For the TMO to get that wrong was just so, so, poor.
That must have been very early days for TMOs use for foul play? A very inauspicious beginning.
