Springboks V All Blacks
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@majorrage said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@akan004 said in Springboks V All Blacks:
Massive whingefest happening on the sarugbymag facebook page. The usual complaints about the ABs being favoured by the ref etc and the Boks being robbed of victory.
I felt the ref was pretty fair, he made some bad calls against both teams but no real howlers.
Really? Which calls were even contentious? The forward pass? Never saw a great angle of it honestly but it was more than offset by the awarding of the try that never was 5 mins after.
All the Saffas at the pub were calling it a forward pass but I think more from hope than evidence. I doubt very much that the TMO would have had grounds to overturn that given the angles we saw.
More a classic case of forward catch rather than forward pass.As for 'the try that never was', another hard one to judge. If you watch frame by frame there is one clear and legal attempt to plant the ball that is also clearly short at the moment of planting but as the cleanout comes over the top there is also a frame that shows the ball apparently grazing the line. Was this the same movement or a second go? Could easily argue that you can plant the ball down in one forward motion.
It wasn't clear on either count (movement or touching line) but neither was it clear to negate the try.
So yeah, a try each that could possibly be ruled out but neither were howlers.
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@akan004 said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@majorrage The forward pass and the last lineout throw which was apparently crooked. Didn't look that bad to me.
Some are also whinging about the Boks not receiving a penalty in the lead up to the Barrett try when they had their guy latched onto the ball and the AB didn't release it. That looked 50/50 to me, I wasn't entirely convinced that the Bok player had his hands on the ball. TJ did a fantastic job of grabbing the ball before the ref had a chance to make a decision anyway.
If TJ got the ball then it was released by whoever was holding it. If a Saffa had their hands on the ball they wouldn't have released it, therefore pretty hard to claim that they were hard done by.
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@crucial said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@akan004 said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@majorrage The forward pass and the last lineout throw which was apparently crooked. Didn't look that bad to me.
Some are also whinging about the Boks not receiving a penalty in the lead up to the Barrett try when they had their guy latched onto the ball and the AB didn't release it. That looked 50/50 to me, I wasn't entirely convinced that the Bok player had his hands on the ball. TJ did a fantastic job of grabbing the ball before the ref had a chance to make a decision anyway.
If TJ got the ball then it was released by whoever was holding it. If a Saffa had their hands on the ball they wouldn't have released it, therefore pretty hard to claim that they were hard done by.
If it's the moment I'm thinking of the saffa was playing the ball on the ground, that's why he let go
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@akan004 said in Springboks V All Blacks:
Massive whingefest happening on the sarugbymag facebook page. The usual complaints about the ABs being favoured by the ref etc and the Boks being robbed of victory.
I felt the ref was pretty fair, he made some bad calls against both teams but no real howlers.
I watched the game live on telly.
I also put myself through the pain of watching it again on Sunday.
On both occasions I didn't have any major gripe with the refereeing calls. Some go for you, some don't.
If one had to be pedantic, probably the one call that was less than 50:50 was Kolbe's try.
Delighted that it was given to us, but if I was in the TMO box I would not have given it.The rabid bok fan in me would've dished out a yellow card to the offside AB's in the first half after penalty no.5 in a row though....
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@billy-webb Gus was fine - reffed breakdown consistently and you don't get to bitch about skew lineouts if you don't really contest.
I have no time for fans who whinge about calls instead of focusing on all the points the boks left on the table. Or their decision to try grind down almost 4 minutes from the middle of the park instead of pushing the ball into the corner and looking for more points from aggro defence and counterattack. It was working all game, got to dance with them that brung ya.
On the other hand, now is a perfectly fine time to remember the single most infuriating call in the history of this great rivalry:
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@smuts said in Springboks V All Blacks:
On the other hand, now is a perfectly fine time to remember the single most infuriating call in the history of this great rivalry:
Probably not the single most infuriating in the entire history, but certainly in recent history.
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This guy does great analysis, his day job for Leinster I think
I hope Hansen listens and gives it some time against Ireland's rushing defence
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@rebound said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@mariner4life
Leg break is a massive overreaction, the ball bounced in the direction it came from. if there was a leg break it would not have gone out so close to the tryline. I think its preety clear he didn't intentionally bounced it in the field first, but how took a calculated risk with a good chance to come off should he not get it out on the fullIt was more a flipper.
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@smuts said in Springboks V All Blacks:
On the other hand, now is a perfectly fine time to remember the single most infuriating call in the history of this great rivalry
That was frustrating, and wrong. The second yellow for leading with an elbow, though, was just plain stupid. It's not like that call got him the red card.
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@akan004 said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@majorrage The forward pass and the last lineout throw which was apparently crooked. Didn't look that bad to me.
Some are also whinging about the Boks not receiving a penalty in the lead up to the Barrett try when they had their guy latched onto the ball and the AB didn't release it. That looked 50/50 to me, I wasn't entirely convinced that the Bok player had his hands on the ball. TJ did a fantastic job of grabbing the ball before the ref had a chance to make a decision anyway.
TJP did great work at ruck time when he came on. Instead of flapping his arms at the ref like A Smith was, he was reaching in and ripping the ball out - on that occasion he saved us as it meant the Bok player was fighting him for the ball and not the player on the ground, meaning play on.
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@smuts said in Springboks V All Blacks:
On the other hand, now is a perfectly fine time to remember the single most infuriating call in the history of this great rivalry:
To get that wrong in real time would be acceptable, as from a certain angle it would be possible for an optical illusion to make the ref think it was head high.
For the TMO to get that wrong was just so, so, poor.
That must have been very early days for TMOs use for foul play? A very inauspicious beginning.
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@crucial said in Springboks V All Blacks:
What's the story with Faf not being available for the whole EOYT?
I get that the England game is timed before the international window (not that it seems to have affected England) but surely SA can call on him for international duty for the other games?They can. That's the only match outside the window.
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@rapido said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@crucial said in Springboks V All Blacks:
What's the story with Faf not being available for the whole EOYT?
I get that the England game is timed before the international window (not that it seems to have affected England) but surely SA can call on him for international duty for the other games?They can. That's the only match outside the window.
But they seem to have had to negotiate his release for the other tests this year despite full right to call on him for internationals.
No wonder the NZRU don’t want to select overseas players. It’s a mess. -
@majorrage said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@akan004 said in Springboks V All Blacks:
Massive whingefest happening on the sarugbymag facebook page. The usual complaints about the ABs being favoured by the ref etc and the Boks being robbed of victory.
I felt the ref was pretty fair, he made some bad calls against both teams but no real howlers.
Really? Which calls were even contentious? The forward pass? Never saw a great angle of it honestly but it was more than offset by the awarding of the try that never was 5 mins after.
The most obvious non call was the obstruction on Kriel's first try. I think it was Pollard that ran behind the saffa 8 that broke us open
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@crucial said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rapido said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@crucial said in Springboks V All Blacks:
What's the story with Faf not being available for the whole EOYT?
I get that the England game is timed before the international window (not that it seems to have affected England) but surely SA can call on him for international duty for the other games?They can. That's the only match outside the window.
But they seem to have had to negotiate his release for the other tests this year despite full right to call on him for internationals.
No wonder the NZRU don’t want to select overseas players. It’s a mess.Yeah, apologies, I just saw an article explaining it.
So Sale, SARU and Faf have negotiated their own deal. Faf played in RC (out of window) and in re-compense he doesn't play November.
If all parties are ok with that then I'm ok. I'd rather he played RC.
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@canefan said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@majorrage said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@akan004 said in Springboks V All Blacks:
Massive whingefest happening on the sarugbymag facebook page. The usual complaints about the ABs being favoured by the ref etc and the Boks being robbed of victory.
I felt the ref was pretty fair, he made some bad calls against both teams but no real howlers.
Really? Which calls were even contentious? The forward pass? Never saw a great angle of it honestly but it was more than offset by the awarding of the try that never was 5 mins after.
The most obvious non call was the obstruction on Kriel's first try. I think it was Pollard that ran behind the saffa 8 that broke us open
In the inevitable post-match social media forensic accounting of the refereeing performance. It's quite clear SAF got the most benefit of the crucial decisions.
For:
- PSDT lazy running under his posts.
- Kolisi obstructon on Sam W in Le Roux break for Kriel try.
- Phantom Kolbe try.
Against:
- Taylor pass in Smith try.
Other non-try scoring movement stuff:
- 5 consecutive penalties: Meh. Both teams did this. NZ's sequence included SBW offside in front of his posts. SAFs sequence included a Dyantyi slap down. I applaud Gardner's non reaching for the pocket. I don't understand card braying.
- PSDT lifting tackle penalty leading to NZ attacking lineout: Yeah I didn't see a problem. No replays. I'd be annoyed.
- The final lineout: come on?1 That's rates a 2 out of 100 on the controversy scale. It was down the channel, and thrown to the front where any slightly non straight throw doesn't get accentuated.
- Various ruck complaints. Meh. Who but the lord above can judge whether holding for 2.1 seconds or 2.4 seconds is penalisable or entering at 75 degrees or 63 degrees ....
I actually thought the Taylor to Smith pass was forward. Taylor started angling in and then passed back accross his body angle outside to Smith. It would take a bit to prove to me that it went back out of the hands, and best I think it might have been physically possible for it to go straight out of the hand and then drift forward, which for me isn't good enough. I'm not happy with the current forward pass rules so have almost put them on ignore function anyway to stop my mind exploding each saturday.
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@rapido said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@crucial said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rapido said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@crucial said in Springboks V All Blacks:
What's the story with Faf not being available for the whole EOYT?
I get that the England game is timed before the international window (not that it seems to have affected England) but surely SA can call on him for international duty for the other games?They can. That's the only match outside the window.
But they seem to have had to negotiate his release for the other tests this year despite full right to call on him for internationals.
No wonder the NZRU don’t want to select overseas players. It’s a mess.Yeah, apologies, I just saw an article explaining it.
So Sale, SARU and Faf have negotiated their own deal. Faf played in RC (out of window) and in re-compense he doesn't play November.
If all parties are ok with that then I'm ok. I'd rather he played RC.
How is RC deemed to be out of window?
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@crucial said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rapido said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@crucial said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rapido said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@crucial said in Springboks V All Blacks:
What's the story with Faf not being available for the whole EOYT?
I get that the England game is timed before the international window (not that it seems to have affected England) but surely SA can call on him for international duty for the other games?They can. That's the only match outside the window.
But they seem to have had to negotiate his release for the other tests this year despite full right to call on him for internationals.
No wonder the NZRU don’t want to select overseas players. It’s a mess.Yeah, apologies, I just saw an article explaining it.
So Sale, SARU and Faf have negotiated their own deal. Faf played in RC (out of window) and in re-compense he doesn't play November.
If all parties are ok with that then I'm ok. I'd rather he played RC.
How is RC deemed to be out of window?
It's not in window as far as I know (nor is 6 nations?).
Which is why the RC is a closed club for SH nations financially strong enough to have domestic professional teams with a pool of players under their own central contracting.
