Springboks V All Blacks
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@rapido said in Springboks V All Blacks:
My own expansion on the 1014 analysis:
Retallick whether in role of pod distributor, or pod runner who can bend the line, was missed big time. The All Blacks resembled the Blues playing the Highlanders. All possession, no punch, playing too much rugby in the wrong parts of the field off back foot ball.... and scoring six tries. Playing poorly.
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@nzzp said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rapido said in Springboks V All Blacks:
My own expansion on the 1014 analysis:
Retallick whether in role of pod distributor, or pod runner who can bend the line, was missed big time. The All Blacks resembled the Blues playing the Highlanders. All possession, no punch, playing too much rugby in the wrong parts of the field off back foot ball.... and scoring six tries. Playing poorly.
and 2 of the 5 they let in could be written off as brain farts, or linked to frustration at having to play back-foot rugby leading players to try and make something out of nothing in the wrong part of the field ( a bit of an anacrhonism).
Don't get wrong. I'm reasonably comfortable with how most of the team played, and it's an easy fix. Even without Retallick there are still at least 2 good pod distributors they can use who aren't Franks (was Whitelock v Argentina), and S Barrett is almost as good a double threat as Brodie.
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@pakman I'm following you around and agreeing with you. But everyone in world rugby is terrified of the ABs having a good day against them.
Erasmus and Schmidt are, perhaps uniquely in world rugby, faced with the pressure of asking themselves realistically: how do we stop these bastards from having a good day.
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Scrum should be interesting this week.
I've been impressed with the Boks scrum this year, after a few indifferent years for them considering their traditional strength in that area.
I was very interested in ABs v Boks 1 at Wellington, as it was the first time Karl T started a test and so I watched closely to how he would go in the starting role.
I have to cast my memory back 2 weeks now.
The scrums with starting front rows were pretty much parity, with, I thought, Tuinukuafe having a very, very slight edge on Malherbe on that side of the scrum, and Kitshoff and Franks cancelled each other out. When Mtarawira cam on as second half sub he had the edge on Ofa T. I would say Mtarawira must be the best scrummaging prop Ofa T has come up against in the fellow sub role.
I also watched the Boks v Wallabies scrums as I was very interested to see how Tupou would go in the starting role. Again it was pretty much parity until subs came on.
I'm probably placing too much importance on 2 test greenhorns in Tongan Thor and Karl T, and rating opposites against them. But I've been so impressed with both that it has got me looking more closely.
Boks hammered the English scrum in June (including a pushover penalty try). But that comes with a caveat that I'm not very impressed with current British scrummaging after their performances on the Lions tour. But they dominatedat to escape, not just edged them. (Incidentally, Joe Marler was a British prop of whom my opinion grew after that tour, but he has announced his retirement last week aged 28.)
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@rapido said in Springboks V All Blacks:
Scrum should be interesting this week.
I've been impressed with the Boks scrum this year, after a few indifferent years for them considering their traditional strength in that area.
I was very interested in ABs v Boks 1 at Wellington, as it was the first time Karl T started a test and so I watched closely to how he would go in the starting role.
I have to cast my memory back 2 weeks now.
The scrums with starting front rows were pretty much parity, with, I thought, Tuinukuafe having a very, very slight edge on Malherbe on that side of the scrum, and Kitshoff and Franks cancelled each other out. When Mtarawira cam on as second half sub he had the edge on Ofa T. I would say Mtarawira must be the best scrummaging prop Ofa T has come up against in the fellow sub role.
I also watched the Boks v Wallabies scrums as I was very interested to see how Tupou would go in the starting role. Again it was pretty much parity until subs came on.
I'm probably placing too much importance on 2 test greenhorns in Tongan Thor and Karl T, and rating opposites against them. But I've been so impressed with both that it has got me looking more closely.
Boks hammered the English scrum in June (including a pushover penalty try). But that comes with a caveat that I'm not very impressed with current British scrummaging after their performances on the Lions tour. But they dominatedat to escape, not just edged them. (Incidentally, Joe Marler was a British prop of whom my opinion grew after that tour, but he has announced his retirement last week aged 28.)
Fair points, although curious that at home and with Figallo at TH Pumas handled Boks scrum?
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Brendon Venter:
I know for a fact that the All Black coaches didn't disrespect the Springboks because they rate them and would never have picked their best side if they didn't. Sometimes what you say as a coach off the field doesn't necessarily translate to what happens on the field. The All Black coaching staff would have told the players to respect the Springboks, but deep down they didn't.
Wonder if he has dis-respected and under-estimated mixed up?
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@taniwharugby So everry time the ABs lose to a team, they disrespect (or underestimate) them according to this author? What a bullshit. They just made too many mistakes and the Boks played wel; nothing to do with disrespecting (or underestimating) the opposition.
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That Venter article was a good read, actually. I'd encourage readers to actually click that link and read the whole thing, some interesting stuff also on Boks defence. Rather than skip it based on negative comments on here. Well done Stuff for actually commissioning some original journalism of an opposing view of the up-coming match.
Disrespect, underestimate, take too lightly, whatever. It's semantics. He expects players won't make similar decisions in Pretoria due to a change in their mental approach of risk v reward.
I agree the All Blacks approach will be different in Pretoria, tighter, more 'traditional test match like' and we already saw that in Buenos Aires
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@rapido I think there is a big difference between disrepecting and underestimating someone.
But then the quote I highlighted doesnt make alot of sense, otherwise not sure what the negative comments were.
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@taniwharugby said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rapido I think there is a big difference between disrepecting and underestimating someone.
But then the quote I highlighted doesnt make alot of sense, otherwise not sure what the negative comments were.
Yeah I'm quite interested in how he knows it for a fact.
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I’m always underestimating.
When I predict the All Blacks by 10 they usually win by 20. When I say by 20 they win by 25+.
I won’t ever do it again.
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Get on with naming the team already....ffs
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@act-crusader said in Springboks V All Blacks:
I’m always underestimating.
When I predict the All Blacks by 10 they usually win by 20. When I say by 20 they win by 25+.
I won’t ever do it again.
Is that because you make the predication based on your Canta-blacks selection and not on the actual selection?
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@shadowtrooper yep, can genuinely ask, when is the team named?
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@Stargazer WHEN?????
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@stargazer said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@taniwharugby So everry time the ABs lose to a team, they disrespect (or underestimate) them according to this author? What a bullshit. They just made too many mistakes and the Boks played wel; nothing to do with disrespecting (or underestimating) the opposition.
I believe every now and then when we are on a winning streak a sub par performance is on the cards ,
I don’t believe it has anything to do with how we view the opposition, just our own mental edge is not quite where it should be .
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