All Blacks v Springboks
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@rapido The only problem with this scenario was that they risked 3 minutes of play to get to this point. A lot of things could have gone wrong during that time. There were drop kick opportunities even before the clock hit the 80th minute mark. Should have taken it earlier.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@rapido with that overlap it was the right decision, he had to pressure the ball carrier otherwise they were done...he does what he did, they win, he gets it wrong...
Do you have stills from a few seconds before, was listening to talkback last night and a guy reckons DMac was in the pocket but BB basically over ruled him by slotting in and calling for it.
DMac had been in the pocket for a while IIRC.
Back to that play, it came off for him spectacularly but 9/10 I think it fails, but he really had no other play so as you say it was the right decision.
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To be honest, I'm not too fussed, given how BB had been kicking, maybe he lacked the confidence in nailing a DG, and maybe Dmac said no thanks as well, so while the DG was the right option, with the players we had out there (with the kicking boots out there) it wasn't on?
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Do you have stills from a few seconds before, was listening to talkback last night and a guy reckons DMac was in the pocket but BB basically over ruled him by slotting in and calling for it.
In that 2 to 3 minute period. Twice nz set for a drop, and then realigned, then set for the drop, then realigned.
At one stage both BB and DM were in the pocket at same time. Other time just DM.
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@broughie said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@bones the primary problem is that he did not pass it American Footie style. Now there would have been no problems. Way back in the day I actually did this is a game and everyone like WTF. What did he just do. Just thinking out of the box.
Ok mate
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@rapido I guess the thing is, even if you do practice them, not only replicating a game situation, but the match intensity and pressure, add in that in this instance the match result hinging on your kick, maybe they just felt none of those situations were quite right, and with time up, they rolled the dice with what they knew; go for the try.
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@broughie said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@bones the primary problem is that he did not pass it American Footie style. Now there would have been no problems. Way back in the day I actually did this is a game and everyone like WTF. What did he just do. Just thinking out of the box.
OK... Ummm... Not sure what you're responding to?
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@rapido I guess the thing is, even if you do practice them, not only replicating a game situation, but the match intensity and pressure, add in that in this instance the match result hinging on your kick, maybe they just felt none of those situations were quite right, and with time up, they rolled the dice with what they knew; go for the try.
I think I read somewhere (Herald app maybe?) that TJP said they were set for the droppie and then him and BB saw an opening and decided to overrule it and they went for the try - I think this was before they went to the left when DMac was back in the pocket.
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@nepia I think thats the thing, natural instinct is to run it, so while they were set, they look up, see the space...whereas say an English 10, natural instinct is to go for the DG, so the 9 looks up, sees the space, but they follow through.
Different mindset.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@nepia I think thats the thing, natural instinct is to run it, so while they were set, they look up, see the space...whereas say an English 10, natural instinct is to go for the DG, so the 9 looks up, sees the space, but they follow through.
Different mindset.
I don't want them going for DGs left right and centre. But if they concluded in the debrief that it was something they Could have done, then at least it might make them prep for the future when they might need to set up for one in a knock out game
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@nepia I think thats the thing, natural instinct is to run it, so while they were set, they look up, see the space...whereas say an English 10, natural instinct is to go for the DG, so the 9 looks up, sees the space, but they follow through.
Different mindset.
Yeah, it's funny, if the Saffa wing come up a bit quicker or slower or DMac has the ball a little bit more to the left we'd all be hailing this as a gutsy comeback win probably.
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@rapido That was irritating because he was clearly offside and Owens let play continue.
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@antipodean Nige doesn't police the offside line hard, and normally it suits the ABs. When we are attacking for most of the match, it suited the Bokke defence, who were offside at each ruck more often than not. Not saying the ABs weren't as well, but I don't watch for our offsides!
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Faf was a super pest in this game. Played bloody well.
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@kiwimurph said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Not sure Faf had a great deal of impact on that play anyway - he flew up super fast and Aaron Smith stepped him like he wasn't even there.
Yeah, I agree, some mentioned it in the thread so I thought I would have a look.
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