Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens
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@chris-b Part of it is you don't get to 'pick' the players. It's not like the SR teams pick and 7s have to wait until they're done/ The players have a choice in it. But yeah if 7s were more money and respect than 15s, then BB would be playing it. But (thankfully) it's not, and the best 7s players (ie those that want to play 7s for whatever reason) are playing it and they're still a good watch.
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@steven-harris said in Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens:
@chris-b I thought the Aussie girls were the very hottest of favourites ,had them at 100% to win ,should used 1-10 barometer.,hey at the end of the day we have done the business.
Yeah - somehow we've got our posts confused.
I'd have been happy enough with two bronzes and we've got two golds - miles against the odds in my opinion.
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@chris-b said in Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens:
@bones said in Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens:
@chris-b said in Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens:
@bones said in Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens:
@chris-b said in Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens:
@tim said in Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens:
Even if you included XVs players then Damien McKenzie and Rieko Ioane would probably be the only certainties.
What?
There's no-one in that sevens squad who is in the top 150 rugby players in NZ.
Trael Joass isn't a first choice starter for the Mako$ and Knewstubb doesn't even make last season's squad.
What you've just said makes no sense at all... Unless you're talking about the Mako$ Sevens squad.
Seriously - you think Knewstubb is making the NZ Sevens team if Beauden Barrett decides to focus on sevens?
Joass is pushing out SBW?
What are you on about? SBW wasn't great at Sevens even when he mildly concentrated on it. Is Barrett playing Sevens? Show me how good he is at Sevens and I'll make a decision between him and Knewstubb.
This seems to be entering into one of those twilight zone internet discussions - in my opinion of course.
In my view - the best 150 rugby players in NZ get selected for Super rugby. Then Sevens gets a bit of a pick, but there's quite a few who opt to play NPC. And once those guys are out of the selection pool Sevens gets to choose from the rest.
If we chose from our best players we would have bigger, faster, more skilful players.
That's my point.
Looks to me like the best 150 XVs players get selected to play super rugby...
Where is the proof these players are better Sevens players?
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@bones said in Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens:
@chris-b said in Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens:
@bones said in Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens:
@chris-b said in Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens:
@bones said in Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens:
@chris-b said in Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens:
@tim said in Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens:
Even if you included XVs players then Damien McKenzie and Rieko Ioane would probably be the only certainties.
What?
There's no-one in that sevens squad who is in the top 150 rugby players in NZ.
Trael Joass isn't a first choice starter for the Mako$ and Knewstubb doesn't even make last season's squad.
What you've just said makes no sense at all... Unless you're talking about the Mako$ Sevens squad.
Seriously - you think Knewstubb is making the NZ Sevens team if Beauden Barrett decides to focus on sevens?
Joass is pushing out SBW?
What are you on about? SBW wasn't great at Sevens even when he mildly concentrated on it. Is Barrett playing Sevens? Show me how good he is at Sevens and I'll make a decision between him and Knewstubb.
This seems to be entering into one of those twilight zone internet discussions - in my opinion of course.
In my view - the best 150 rugby players in NZ get selected for Super rugby. Then Sevens gets a bit of a pick, but there's quite a few who opt to play NPC. And once those guys are out of the selection pool Sevens gets to choose from the rest.
If we chose from our best players we would have bigger, faster, more skilful players.
That's my point.
Looks to me like the best 150 XVs players get selected to play super rugby...
Where is the proof these players are better Sevens players?
Everyone is in the same boat. All nations except Fiji prioritise 15s over 7s. Our best available 7s players just have to be better than everyone else's.
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@machpants Yeah. I was only disagreeing with Tim's initial assertion about who would make the team.
Trael Joass was in initially a XVs player in the Mako$ squad who couldn't make the starting XV. It's possible that miraculously he's among the 12 best sevens players in the country, but I'm inclined to think that's because almost everyone who has the chance focuses on XVs.
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@canefan said in Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens:
@bones said in Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens:
@chris-b said in Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens:
@bones said in Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens:
@chris-b said in Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens:
@bones said in Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens:
@chris-b said in Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens:
@tim said in Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens:
Even if you included XVs players then Damien McKenzie and Rieko Ioane would probably be the only certainties.
What?
There's no-one in that sevens squad who is in the top 150 rugby players in NZ.
Trael Joass isn't a first choice starter for the Mako$ and Knewstubb doesn't even make last season's squad.
What you've just said makes no sense at all... Unless you're talking about the Mako$ Sevens squad.
Seriously - you think Knewstubb is making the NZ Sevens team if Beauden Barrett decides to focus on sevens?
Joass is pushing out SBW?
What are you on about? SBW wasn't great at Sevens even when he mildly concentrated on it. Is Barrett playing Sevens? Show me how good he is at Sevens and I'll make a decision between him and Knewstubb.
This seems to be entering into one of those twilight zone internet discussions - in my opinion of course.
In my view - the best 150 rugby players in NZ get selected for Super rugby. Then Sevens gets a bit of a pick, but there's quite a few who opt to play NPC. And once those guys are out of the selection pool Sevens gets to choose from the rest.
If we chose from our best players we would have bigger, faster, more skilful players.
That's my point.
Looks to me like the best 150 XVs players get selected to play super rugby...
Where is the proof these players are better Sevens players?
Everyone is in the same boat. All nations except Fiji prioritise 15s over 7s. Our best available 7s players just have to be better than everyone else's.
Exactly.
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@machpants said in Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens:
@canefan said in Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens:
Is there to be a replay of the 7s finals on tv1?
Can't see one, maybe it'll come up on On Demand online later?
Sky would play it over and over. TVNZ clearly not concerned about maximising return on investment by providing extensive coverage
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@chris-b said in Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens:
@machpants Yeah. I was only disagreeing with Tim's initial assertion about who would make the team.
Trael Joass was in initially a XVs player in the Mako$ squad who couldn't make the starting XV. It's possible that miraculously he's among the 12 best sevens players in the country, but I'm inclined to think that's because almost everyone who has the chance focuses on XVs.
I'd say a pretty sizeable chunk of NZs best atheletes play rugby. However those atheletes wouldn't go well in other sports because they have conditioned themselves for rugby, and that's what they practice full time.
IIRC all of the 15s players that wanted to play 7s at the Olympics had to spend a year reconditioning themselves and getting used to 7s or else they would be largely ineffectual. Turned out some (like SBW) were just that despite their best efforts.
The point being 7s is pretty much a different sport now that it is professional. At least as different as test cricket is to T20s anyway. Specialists from each are no guarentee to be the best at both.
It's likely that if you put that 7s team up against the best 15s players in a match tomorrow the 7s team would win.
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@stargazer said in Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens:
After the low of Rio 2016 this is a fabulous day for 7s
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@canefan said in Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens:
@stargazer said in Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens:
After the low of Rio 2016 this is a fabulous day for 7s
Totally unexpected.
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@virgil said in Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens:
@canefan said in Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens:
@stargazer said in Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens:
After the low of Rio 2016 this is a fabulous day for 7s
Totally unexpected.
Makes it all the more sweet. I'm sorry I wasn't able to watch but as usual the TSF collaborative commentary was excellent 👍
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@higgins said in Commonwealth Games - Rugby Sevens:
Here's one for you Stargazer, who is reffing the mens final? Without SA being involved the chances of Rasta being appointed look disturbingly high.
Actually I thought Rasta was amazingly balanced in our semi.
