Hurricanes v B&I Lions
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Aargh! How to throw away a game when it's in your pocket. Soft card for Henderson - right call but a soft manner in which to spend 10 minutes resting. Barnes for once called something correctly in the lack of shutting down the space for the first Canes try during the sinbinning. In a 14 point game making the conversion harder is bloody important. Soft again. A beautifully worked try though, worth the price of admission all on its own.
I thought Poite was OK, not great but not shithouse either and more importantly I thought he was impartial in his more elastic calls.
@Mikethesnow re Joseph's form. Difficult for him or any of the outsides to shine with the disruption caused by Henshaw's injury. No cover at 12 that Gatland was prepared to use meant that the 11, 13, 14 boys got very little opportunity. It also left North with less opportunity to press his claims at wing. Mind you I'm not sure that any of Joseph, Nowell or Seymour are in Gatland's thinking anyway.
The whole geographical selection thing has to my mind come back to bite Gatland in the arse. He has to have them on the bench to justify the decision but is petrified of actually playing them because it was the wrong decision in the first place. Rock and a hard place, just of his own making is all.
I'm not sure Best has done quite enough to push for a place in the 23 and neither did the props. The interesting selection area will be the second row. You could see Gatland's thinking in having a good look at Lawes and then subbing on Kruis to see if he's got back into some form after Saturday's lacklustre performance and then Henderson goes and puts in a stand out performance. It is quite possible that both the starting locks for the first test are out of the 23 altogether.
Back row will also be interesting. Did Stander do enough and if so who misses out. I think the back row selection will feature the same four as the first test but maybe a bit mixed up.
In the backs, North put his hand up albeit out of position but after that I'm failing to see anyone pressing their claim for a spot in the 23.
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@Catogrande said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
Aargh! How to throw away a game when it's in your pocket. Soft card for Henderson - right call but a soft manner in which to spend 10 minutes resting. Barnes for once called something correctly in the lack of shutting down the space for the first Canes try during the sinbinning. In a 14 point game making the conversion harder is bloody important. Soft again. A beautifully worked try though, worth the price of admission all on its own.
I thought Poite was OK, not great but not shithouse either and more importantly I thought he was impartial in his more elastic calls.
@Mikethesnow re Joseph's form. Difficult for him or any of the outsides to shine with the disruption caused by Henshaw's injury. No cover at 12 that Gatland was prepared to use meant that the 11, 13, 14 boys got very little opportunity. It also left North with less opportunity to press his claims at wing. Mind you I'm not sure that any of Joseph, Nowell or Seymour are in Gatland's thinking anyway.
The whole geographical selection thing has to my mind come back to bite Gatland in the arse. He has to have them on the bench to justify the decision but is petrified of actually playing them because it was the wrong decision in the first place. Rock and a hard place, just of his own making is all.
I'm not sure Best has done quite enough to push for a place in the 23 and neither did the props. The interesting selection area will be the second row. You could see Gatland's thinking in having a good look at Lawes and then subbing on Kruis to see if he's got back into some form after Saturday's lacklustre performance and then Henderson goes and puts in a stand out performance. It is quite possible that both the starting locks for the first test are out of the 23 altogether.
Back row will also be interesting. Did Stander do enough and if so who misses out. I think the back row selection will feature the same four as the first test but maybe a bit mixed up.
In the backs, North put his hand up albeit out of position but after that I'm failing to see anyone pressing their claim for a spot in the 23.
Posted in 2nd Test thread. See you there
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@Pot-Hale said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
@pukunui said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
@Pot-Hale said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
@pukunui said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
Throwing the ball away after penalties, diving off their feet at rucks, living offside, not rolling away from the tackled player, spear tackling defenders at the ruck, pulling back players off the ball.
Plenty of examples.In fairness, I think the Lions might have been guilty of one or two of those as well.....
How could you tell? Or do the red invisibility cloaks only work on refs?
That comeback was nearly as bad as Laidlaw's passing...
But not quite as bad as Irelands record against the ABs. Boom tish.
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@gt12 said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
He really did look comfortable up there. Now, I'm a bit worried that he's going to be wasted at the Canes unless he starts playing 13....
Where is @Tim with his Blues recruitment plans...
Normally I heart Boyd, but IMHO his claim that Jordie is a fullback is bollocks. He doesn't have the acceleration or, for want of a better word, dexterity, to be a world class FB. But he has the size, pass and skill to be an excellent 12 or 13.
I hate to say it, but it might be a shame that he didn't choose the Saders.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
@gt12 said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
He really did look comfortable up there. Now, I'm a bit worried that he's going to be wasted at the Canes unless he starts playing 13....
Where is @Tim with his Blues recruitment plans...
Normally I heart Boyd, but IMHO his claim that Jordie is a fullback is bollocks. He doesn't have the acceleration or, for want of a better word, dexterity, to be a world class FB. But he has the size, pass and skill to be an excellent 12 or 13.
I hate to say it, but it might be a shame that he didn't choose the Saders.
I think it's more a case of getting him on the field to get him experience whilst still a youngster. He's a skillful player and given he has a good boot, fullback isn't a bad place. Anything coaches say these days is taken with a massive grain of salt.
Plus the fullback options for the Canes are slim other than playing one of the wingers (NMS, Jane) out of position.
Midfield there is Laumape, Proctor and Aso. Aso a better winger but there are two ABs there with Savea and NMS.
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Laumape scoring:
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@ACT-Crusader said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
@gt12 said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
He really did look comfortable up there. Now, I'm a bit worried that he's going to be wasted at the Canes unless he starts playing 13....
Where is @Tim with his Blues recruitment plans...
Normally I heart Boyd, but IMHO his claim that Jordie is a fullback is bollocks. He doesn't have the acceleration or, for want of a better word, dexterity, to be a world class FB. But he has the size, pass and skill to be an excellent 12 or 13.
I hate to say it, but it might be a shame that he didn't choose the Saders.
I think it's more a case of getting him on the field to get him experience whilst still a youngster. He's a skillful player and given he has a good boot, fullback isn't a bad place. Anything coaches say these days is taken with a massive grain of salt.
Plus the fullback options for the Canes are slim other than playing one of the wingers (NMS, Jane) out of position.
Midfield there is Laumape, Proctor and Aso. Aso a better winger but there are two ABs there with Savea and NMS.
For sure. That's why he might have benefited more at the Saders. He most likely would have had much more game time at 12. He also already had a very successful partnership with Goodhew.
It's just frustrating to see a guy play in the wrong position.
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Loe is pretty fired up:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11882859
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@Tim said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
Loe is pretty fired up:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11882859
Same shit, different day
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@Tim some of Loe's criticisms of the Lions could equally be labeled towards the Canes. In particular the first 20-30 minutes the Canes were lying on the Lions sides at the breakdown when Lions had possession. Slowed ball up quite a bit.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel the thing though is this season he probably would've played fullback for the Saders with Crotty still playing quality footy and Goodhue in form. Havili to the bench and Jordie to fullback. Then we have Tamanivalu and Bateman as midfielders. Other than Dagg we are a bit light on for fullback but have got lucky with Havili filling the void when Dagg was injured.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
@Tim some of Loe's criticisms of the Lions could equally be labeled towards the Canes. In particular the first 20-30 minutes the Canes were lying on the Lions sides at the breakdown when Lions had possession. Slowed ball up quite a bit.
Yep. That's what often happens when you're under the cosh.
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@Crucial said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
I've been refreshing the news sites for the last hour or so with no luck.
Does anyone know what time Boyd is calling his overnight presser with fan obtained video for the near death of JB.When he finds the slow motion reverse angle of JBs 'tackle' of Halfpenny
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@MiketheSnow said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
I've been refreshing the news sites for the last hour or so with no luck.
Does anyone know what time Boyd is calling his overnight presser with fan obtained video for the near death of JB.When he finds the slow motion reverse angle of JBs 'tackle' of Halfpenny
Looked legit to me.
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@Crucial said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
@MiketheSnow said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
I've been refreshing the news sites for the last hour or so with no luck.
Does anyone know what time Boyd is calling his overnight presser with fan obtained video for the near death of JB.When he finds the slow motion reverse angle of JBs 'tackle' of Halfpenny
Looked legit to me.
We'll never know.
Like the Cole incident. Ayoub was spotting minor shit all night but no second look at either of these.
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@MiketheSnow said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
@MiketheSnow said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
I've been refreshing the news sites for the last hour or so with no luck.
Does anyone know what time Boyd is calling his overnight presser with fan obtained video for the near death of JB.When he finds the slow motion reverse angle of JBs 'tackle' of Halfpenny
Looked legit to me.
We'll never know.
Like the Cole incident. Ayoub was spotting minor shit all night but no second look at either of these.
TBH I was struggling to find what you were on about in that clip.
Anyway Gatland continues to dig himself a hole of Woodward proportions with this stupid comment...
"I don't think it was anything malicious in terms of Iain Henderson lifting him. He's lifted him and put him on his back. He wasn't trying to hurt him. If he was trying to hurt him he would have really done a good job. "
Intent has nothing to do with it now (unlike in 2005) and the rest of that is just a mind boggling thing to say.
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Just re-watched it and the Cole one was checked.
Edit - YouTube killed the link
Tackle was at 49.35 on the match clock. Poite asks the TMO to have a look. At 49.55 he obviously gets the call and says, 'Okay, we play on. Tackle fine, 3 red'
Without seeing the replay the TMO had access to, hard to say either way. But looked dodgy on the wide angle at full speed
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@Crucial said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
@MiketheSnow said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
@MiketheSnow said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:
I've been refreshing the news sites for the last hour or so with no luck.
Does anyone know what time Boyd is calling his overnight presser with fan obtained video for the near death of JB.When he finds the slow motion reverse angle of JBs 'tackle' of Halfpenny
Looked legit to me.
We'll never know.
Like the Cole incident. Ayoub was spotting minor shit all night but no second look at either of these.
TBH I was struggling to find what you were on about in that clip.
Anyway Gatland continues to dig himself a hole of Woodward proportions with this stupid comment...
"I don't think it was anything malicious in terms of Iain Henderson lifting him. He's lifted him and put him on his back. He wasn't trying to hurt him. If he was trying to hurt him he would have really done a good job. "
Intent has nothing to do with it now (unlike in 2005) and the rest of that is just a mind boggling thing to say.
Same. I had to watch that clip about 10 times until I finally saw Jordie make a tackle (right at the end, just before the try). Nothing wrong with it IMO. Didn't look high or late.
Agree with the rest, too. In the post-match interview Gatland said a penalty would have been enough, it didn't look like a card to him. Yeah, right. He went over the horizontal; definitely YC. If JB had landed on his head or neck instead of his shoulder, it would have been red.
