All Blacks v Ireland II
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@jegga said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@jegga There was another weirdo before BOD too. English git.
That Irish woman after BOD seemed to from the same school too ...
Obviously cultivates a cultured* audience.
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Forgot about the english guy, I'm surprised talkback is still a thing to be honest.
You are? Frankly I reckon it can be good.
Essentially we indulge in our form of it on here.
But I reckon hosts drive the for want of a better word "culture". And to misquote a well known saying the hosts then get the show they deserve. Act feral get ferals involved.
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@Bones said in Ireland II:
@reprobate I was annoyed we didn't score more and that the Irish weren't down to 14 men at stages.
Yeah seeing them go through 12,989 phases against 14 men and failing to score I wasn't particularly worried. I was most pissed off with the ab discipline and them not getting more pill. When they had the ball they were carving up.
A late try would have made the scoreline look unflattering, but barring a major brain explosion I always felt the abs were going to do it comfortably enough.
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Ah the BOD thing wasn't really very funny imo. You lose any moral high ground when you head in that direction It is talkback after all though...
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@booboo https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/sport/rugby/brian-odriscoll-leads-criticism-unpunished-all-black-savagery-after-owen-franks-eye-gouging-debacle
Sorry it was the Kane Douglas "gouge" that was covered here at the time, Stephen Jones waded in calling a victim of unchecked all black thuggery.
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@booboo said in Ireland II:
@jegga said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@jegga There was another weirdo before BOD too. English git.
That Irish woman after BOD seemed to from the same school too ...
Obviously cultivates a cultured* audience.
- in a petri dish
Forgot about the english guy, I'm surprised talkback is still a thing to be honest.
You are? Frankly I reckon it can be good.
Essentially we indulge in our form of it on here.
But I reckon hosts drive the for want of a better word "culture". And to misquote a well known saying the hosts then get the show they deserve. Act feral get ferals involved.
I thought things like this forum, stuff nation and suchlike would have soaked up most of the nations ranting.
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@Billy-Tell said in Ireland II:
Ah the BOD thing wasn't really very funny imo. You lose any moral high ground when you head in that direction It is talkback after all though...
Well now the arbiter of moral high ground has spoken, I feel ashamed
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@Billy-Tell said in Ireland II:
Ah the BOD thing wasn't really very funny imo. You lose any moral high ground when you head in that direction It is talkback after all though...
Mark Watson couldn't find the moral high ground with a map and a telescope so theres that.
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@antipodean said in Ireland II:
@molloyjh said in Ireland II:
Ah now there are more level headed reactions in fairness:
Analysis: Ireland's failure to convert costs them dearly against the All Blacks
Joe Schmidt’s men couldn’t turn their big chances into the tries they needed.
Ireland left frustrated and tryless as All Blacks edge brutal battle in Dublin
Beauden Barrett was involved in all three of the Kiwi’s tries at the Aviva Stadium.
Barrett-inspired defeat a missed opportunity for wasteful Ireland
Amid the all the darkness, Beauden Barrett's black magic won the match on Saturday.
I'd also point out that there cannot be any question that NZ have a discipline issue at the moment. 12-4 was the penalty count in Chicago. 14-4 in Dublin. 3 yellow cards across both Tests to 0. 2 citings to 0. And the citing commissioner apparently referred 12 incidents in the game on Saturday back to the teams. 11 of those to NZ. While I don't like the whinging and the moaning it's pretty clear there is a discipline issue there that can't be ignored.
The Test on the weekend was a one-sided joke from the refereeing. There should have been at least one yellow card for Ireland and Aaron Smith should never have been penalised. Ireland had carte blanche at the ruck and how you get a scrum for being the last man in defence knocking a pass down is beyond baffling.
So how does that explain Chicago? Was that a one sided joke as well? Given that both games had pretty consistent stats with regards discipline are you happy to just write that off? And how does the above comment not fit with the whinging description that Irish fans and media have been labelled with?
A lot of Irish fans and media have gone totally overboard (and quite frankly bat shit crazy at times) with what happened at the weekend, but I've also seen a corresponding extreme from a lot of NZ fans and media refusing to acknowledge that there are discipline issues. If the roles were reversed I'd be very focused on the penalty count issue for Ireland and desperately want to see an improvement. I wouldn't be looking to sweep it all under the rug and blame the opponents for daring to speak of it. The truth often tends to be in the middle somewhere. The 2 extremes that we're seeing (NZ are cheating bastards who always get away with it as opposed to the NZ are being victimised buy the ref and opposition) are equally unfair reactions to what went on in what was, all officiating issues aside, a superb contest.
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@molloyjh said in Ireland II:
@antipodean said in Ireland II:
@molloyjh said in Ireland II:
Ah now there are more level headed reactions in fairness:
Analysis: Ireland's failure to convert costs them dearly against the All Blacks
Joe Schmidt’s men couldn’t turn their big chances into the tries they needed.
Ireland left frustrated and tryless as All Blacks edge brutal battle in Dublin
Beauden Barrett was involved in all three of the Kiwi’s tries at the Aviva Stadium.
Barrett-inspired defeat a missed opportunity for wasteful Ireland
Amid the all the darkness, Beauden Barrett's black magic won the match on Saturday.
I'd also point out that there cannot be any question that NZ have a discipline issue at the moment. 12-4 was the penalty count in Chicago. 14-4 in Dublin. 3 yellow cards across both Tests to 0. 2 citings to 0. And the citing commissioner apparently referred 12 incidents in the game on Saturday back to the teams. 11 of those to NZ. While I don't like the whinging and the moaning it's pretty clear there is a discipline issue there that can't be ignored.
The Test on the weekend was a one-sided joke from the refereeing. There should have been at least one yellow card for Ireland and Aaron Smith should never have been penalised. Ireland had carte blanche at the ruck and how you get a scrum for being the last man in defence knocking a pass down is beyond baffling.
So how does that explain Chicago? Was that a one sided joke as well? Given that both games had pretty consistent stats with regards discipline are you happy to just write that off? And how does the above comment not fit with the whinging description that Irish fans and media have been labelled with?
A lot of Irish fans and media have gone totally overboard (and quite frankly bat shit crazy at times) with what happened at the weekend, but I've also seen a corresponding extreme from a lot of NZ fans and media refusing to acknowledge that there are discipline issues. If the roles were reversed I'd be very focused on the penalty count issue for Ireland and desperately want to see an improvement. I wouldn't be looking to sweep it all under the rug and blame the opponents for daring to speak of it. The truth often tends to be in the middle somewhere. The 2 extremes that we're seeing (NZ are cheating bastards who always get away with it as opposed to the NZ are being victimised buy the ref and opposition) are equally unfair reactions to what went on in what was, all officiating issues aside, a superb contest.
We have lost one test this year and we have discipline issues? I don't recall anyone saying that is what caused the loss in Chicago so how is it an issue?
When discipline starts to cost us games then its an issue.
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@mooshld said in Ireland II:
We have lost one test this year and we have discipline issues? I don't recall anyone saying that is what caused the loss in Chicago so how is it an issue?
When discipline starts to cost us games then its an issue.
What I meant was how does the apparent one sided refereeing in the Dublin explain the penalty count in Chicago. But if you are coughing up over 3 times the number of penalties as the opposition as well as yellow cards and citings when the opposition are not then that is a pretty good indicator that there are discipline issues. Waiting until it costs you a game is basically waiting for the horse to bolt. And closing your eyes to it is every bit as biased as some of the whinging my countrymen have been doing as well.
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@molloyjh said in Ireland II:
@mooshld said in Ireland II:
We have lost one test this year and we have discipline issues? I don't recall anyone saying that is what caused the loss in Chicago so how is it an issue?
When discipline starts to cost us games then its an issue.
What I meant was how does the apparent one sided refereeing in the Dublin explain the penalty count in Chicago. But if you are coughing up over 3 times the number of penalties as the opposition as well as yellow cards and citings when the opposition are not then that is a pretty good indicator that there are discipline issues. Waiting until it costs you a game is basically waiting for the horse to bolt. And closing your eyes to it is every bit as biased as some of the whinging my countrymen have been doing as well.
Thats one way to look at it. Another way is that its usually the team in defense that gives up the majority of the penalties. When you play a style of game that we do where we score quick off of turnover ball you don't have a lot of possession so your more likely to end the game with a higher penalty count. Is that a problem. Yes if you're losing. I am not saying we are not guilty of dumb penalties we are, but I have seen no proof we are any worse then other teams. I would hazard a guess most of our penalties come from offside, maul defense and ruck infringements. You know stuff where it comes down to an interpretation being made in a split second.
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this is a very level headed view from Eddie O'Sullivan not sure if it has been posted.
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Yeah I think defense gives away more penalties than offense, so you can either conclude that NZ had discipline issues in Dublin (we most certainly did in Chicago) or that because we had so little balll and did so much defending we were always going to concede more penalties than Ireland, but didn't neccesarily have major discipline problems all things considered.
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@Billy-Tell said in Ireland II:
Yeah I think defense gives away more penalties than offense, so you can either conclude that NZ had discipline issues in Dublin (we most certainly did in Chicago) or that because we had so little balll and did so much defending we were always going to concede more penalties than Ireland, but didn't neccesarily have major discipline problems all things considered.
And that's the issue with looking at one statistic in isolation. Rugby is way to complicated to extrapolate shit from a single metric.
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@hydro11 said in Ireland II:
Are the Irish really whinging that much? Easy to listen to a vocal few and ignore the masses.
Quite. And you also have to ask when the whinging about the whinging gets worse than the whinging.
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@Catogrande said in Ireland II:
@hydro11 said in Ireland II:
Are the Irish really whinging that much? Easy to listen to a vocal few and ignore the masses.
Quite. And you also have to ask when the whinging about the whinging gets worse than the whinging.
Quite.
The re-whinge levels are increasing with every piece of media being scrutinised to find something else to be narked about.
At this stage, one side is feeding the other until they all collapse in exhaustion and move on to the next test. Thank fuck there is a next test.
Karma for some this week would be Ireland accused of playing dirty and putting in king hits on the Wallabies - and still losing and then getting players cited/banned.
At which point, the world will explode.
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@Pot-Hale said in Ireland II:
@Catogrande said in Ireland II:
@hydro11 said in Ireland II:
Are the Irish really whinging that much? Easy to listen to a vocal few and ignore the masses.
Quite. And you also have to ask when the whinging about the whinging gets worse than the whinging.
Quite.
The re-whinge levels are increasing with every piece of media being scrutinised to find something else to be narked about.
At this stage, one side is feeding the other until they all collapse in exhaustion and move on to the next test. Thank fuck there is a next test.
Karma for some this week would be Ireland accused of playing dirty and putting in king hits on the Wallabies - and still losing and then getting players cited/banned.
At which point, the world will explode.
I would explode with laughter, that's for sure
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@Pot-Hale said in Ireland II:
@Catogrande said in Ireland II:
@hydro11 said in Ireland II:
Are the Irish really whinging that much? Easy to listen to a vocal few and ignore the masses.
Quite. And you also have to ask when the whinging about the whinging gets worse than the whinging.
Quite.
The re-whinge levels are increasing with every piece of media being scrutinised to find something else to be narked about.
At this stage, one side is feeding the other until they all collapse in exhaustion and move on to the next test. Thank fuck there is a next test.
Karma for some this week would be Ireland accused of playing dirty and putting in king hits on the Wallabies - and still losing and then getting players cited/banned.
At which point, the world will explode.
If that was to happen it would make me very very happy.
Its unlikely though so my second wish would be for the irish fans who've spent the week in a lather over the game , their captain and their media to develop a degree of self awareness so next time we play we don't have a repeat of this embarrassing behaviour.
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As usual these blokes are pretty close to the money on their review of the game ,
