All Blacks v Ireland II
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Not much to add on starting 15. For me I'd go with Cruden, Crockett and Dagg. Cruden's game management is superior to Barrett's, who was best at this when he had Crotty outside him. Crockett bolsters ruck, maul and carrying, whilst not weakening scrum much. My read is that Savea (J) is a lock in. Dagg is in good form, safe under high ball and offers dual first receiver option.
As perhaps noted above, the biggest query is BBBR's starting partner. He was a little off the pace and will be better for the run. If selectors follow same logic Sam W will be on bench. Either way not clear which way selectors will swing. Pat T was much better this week whilst Barrett (S) was tidy. I think ruck ball is the key to smashing Ireland, and on balance (and subject to watching replay) I'd be inclined to go with the latter.Have a hunch JK may not be 100%. If so, I could see Squire starting, with Savea (A) on bench. If not, am slightly bemused Cane had full 80, so slight chance Todd starts with Savea/Squire contesting bench. Something doesn't quite add up!!
Other talking point is third back reserve. I have to assume Seta T is back up and will be lucky to see minutes this tour, in particular if Crotty fit for France. So easy choice is Naholo. Covers both wings and midfield in an emergency. With Dagg, BFA and Barrett in the 23 full back well and truly covered.
P.S. expect to see more of short inside balls against Ireland.
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Selection time got real interesting for this one...
Massive fan of Beaudy - but for me whoever starts comes down to whichever halfback the selectors feel is the best fit for this game. I feel the consensus is TJP should have started the Chicago game, and Smith sometimes gets monstered.
Hansen will really earn his money this week, making assumptions on what Ireland will do and where they will attack us. Schmidt will know what worked well last test, and where they targetted us, but it would be folly to assume they can beat us in exactly the same areas, however they absolutely have to get to the same standard they achieved last test.For me TJP starts, which means Beauden starts. TJP doesn't have any combo with Cruden, whereas the Smith/Cruden number goes back to Manawatu and plenty of tests, thus those are our bench guys.
Dagg definitely comes back in. Its a coin-toss between Savea & Naholo - but maybe Savea gets the nod. Ben Smith at the back.
ALB & Fekitoa start, I'd personally love for Rieko to get the bench nod as a winger, I reckon hes got the head on his shoulders for the big time. Ben Smith to cover midfield
Forward pack is straight forward enough I reckon. Retallick and Scott Barrett - I think PT is great for impact - just not sure about combat in the trenches.
Kaino, Cane & Read. If Jerome Kaino is injured - could they go a Cane, Savea, Read - 6,7,8 ?
Franks, Coles, Moody to start, Crockett, Taylor, Faumuina to close it out.
so...
Franks, Coles, Moody
Retallick and Scott Barrett
Kaino, Cane & Read
TJP & BB
ALB, Fekitoa
Savea, Dagg, BFACrockett, Taylor, Faumuina
Whitelock
A.Savea
Smith, Cruden, Ioane -
Whos the Ref?
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This is the most excited I have been for a game since WC final. The atmosphere will be electric. I wonder how much tickets are going for on black market.
I really think BB goal kicking could haunt us if he starts. With this pressure I just don't trust him and we may need all the points we can get. I read an article somewhere which stated BB was rated the worst kicker out of all the top countries.
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Although he often overdoes them, Cruden's chip kicks often help create doubt in a rush defense. I thought he did it wellish against Italy. I'd be tempted to start him again, especially with ALB at 12.
So:
Moody (better be better), Coles, Franks
Retallick, S. Barrett
Kaino, Cane & Read
A. Smith, Cruden
ALB, Fekitoa
Savea (somewhat lucky), Dagg, BFA at 15Crockett, Taylor, Faumuina, Squire, A.Savea
TJP, B Barrett, Ioane or TamanivaluBet I've got at least 5 of those wrong, compared to what will be picked.
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@gt12 said in Ireland II:
Although he often overdoes them, Cruden's chip kicks often help create doubt in a rush defense. I thought he did it wellish against Italy. I'd be tempted to start him again, especially with ALB at 12.
Yes.
They aren't a guaranteed try scoring opportunity and shouldn't be treated as such, rather a component of the "chess match" designed to reap benefits later on -
Should reward Crockett with a start after last night. Depends what the scrum gurus reckon I guess but a good message to both Crockett and Moody if Crockett gets the nod
Do you give Beaudy a chance at redemption or are selection strategies not so forgiving? Perhaps solace in the impact role for Beaudy off the bench
Play Barrett if Whitlock ain't fit. Bad luck Romero
Izzy and Naholo on a wing, if Julien asks just mention running right behind a goaline instead of left into open pastures
TJP to start - no shit sherlock
Who's left in midfield? ALB and feki will be ok
Basically all the intrigue will be at ten and the two forward subs not in the front row
Crockett
Coles
Franks
BBBR
Whitelock/Barrett
Kaino
Cane
Read
TJP
Cruden
ALB
Feki
Izzy
Naholo
BFACharlie
Cody
Joe
Liam
Arid
Aaron
Beaudy
Jules -
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@westcoastie Jaco Peyper (SARU)
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I can't see Savea being dropped after not being in the 23 against Italy. It's a Naholo v Dagg call to start. I'd start Dagg and have Naholo on the bench.
ALB and Fekitoa unless if Crotty is fit, I'd go with Crotty and ALB.
Smith and Barrett. TJP and Cruden on the bench. I would love to see Lima start against France.
Moody, Coles and Franks pick themselves. Likewise Crockett, Taylor and Charlie pick themselves for the bench.
Kaino, Cane and Read - all 3 need a rocket because they were all poor in Chicago. Savea on the bench.
Brodie back a certainty. If Whitelock is fit he plays and Tuipoluto on the bench.
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What a bollocks that B Barrett needs redemption. He's by far the best 10 we have now, so he should get the start. As has been said several times by the coaches, B Barrett struggled with his health and he needed a rest. He's had a week of rest; if he is fit to play, he should start. Hopefully his kicking is better, but in all other respects, he's way better than Cruden at the moment. Also, v Ireland in Chicago, Beauden only mist one kick out of five, so his kicking problems shouldn't be exaggerated.
TJP has been better the last few games, most notably in the 2nd half of the game v Ireland in Chicago, and also deserves the start, regardless of who plays at 10. Won't mind if Smith starts though.
Also, people who keep on mentioning Romano: is it even certain he has returned to the squad? For me, S Barrett ahead of Tuipulotu.
I think this comes close to the line-up v Ireland in Dublin:
Crockett - Coles - Franks
Retallick - S Barrett
Kaino (if healthy)/Squire - Cane/Todd** - Read
Perenara - B Barrett
Lienert-Brown - Fekitoa (unless Crotty if fit to play)
Savea - Dagg - B Smith (at 15)Taylor - Moody - Faumuina
Whitelock (if healthy)/Tuipulotu - Squire (if not starting)/Dixon - Todd (if not starting)/A Savea
A Smith - Cruden/Sopoaga - Naholo (unless Crotty starts; in that case Fekitoa)**not sure about Cane or Todd. Normally, I'd expect them to start Cane, but due to the fact that he hasn't been convincing since his return from injury & played 80 minutes v Italy, Todd might get the nod as he has been steadily improving this year, was an absolute beast in Bledisloe III & there's not much between them at the moment. A Savea didn't seem physically up to it against the Irish in Chicago, so I'd hesitate to even name him on the bench.
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I'm just fucking astounded the world's premier halfback has one bad game and everyone wants him dropped.
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@mariner4life said in Ireland II:
I'm just fucking astounded the world's premier halfback has one bad game and everyone wants him dropped.
Hear ya but the tackling and muscle around the ruck are a good argument and an area the paddies exploited last time
The plan will be to smash those emerald isle fuckers this time won't it?
Toilet boy ain't got his swagger back yet either IMO
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@Siam I thought A Smith played well against Italy?
I am still stunned how good ALB is, at either 12 or 13.
I thought Naholo actually had a good match and is defensively more reliable than Savea but they'll pick the latter and put some pressure on him to perform.
Cruden, Barrett, Sopoaga-a good problem to have!Am also tempted to think Patrick is better off the bench..
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@nostrildamus
Yeah, he did. He was quick with the pass, made good breaks. He added a lot vs ItalyI'd go for Perenara for the physicality v Ireland. May it be so again that when facing a recent conquering team the ABs fucken pile in physically and willingly. Smash the feckers. I think TJP is better suited ti start to compliment this style. Nugget for the last 25-30 mins to run 'em around would be ideal I reckon
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Hmmmm.
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The Ireland side will probably remain unchanged. Peter O'Mahony will be the only change in the squad and whether or not he starts is the question.
I don't think we (Ireland) will win this one. There are a few good reasons. Obviously the ABs will be firm favourites but from an Ireland point of view, everything went to plan in Chicago and thats unlikely to happen twice in a row. Hansen will be analysing the match and will strengthen areas the ABs got caught out, like the maul, not giving penalties away, garryowens etc. And in Chicago the ABs still scored 4 tries.
Ireland can still make it a tough game and they'll do the same again... mainly not give the ball away too easily. The Ireland defence is good and even the forwards are athletic and fairly fit. More mobile than the Australians and South Africans while probably being more physical than the Argentinians. Andy Farrell has made a massive difference since taking over in the summer and that might have caught the ABs off guard in the first test. It was interesting to see the ABs kick-pass the ball so much against the Italians. It was almost like they were practising it. I'd say we might see a bit of that next week.
So I would say business for the ABs but sport can throw up surprises. The weather will be a bit different than it was in Chicago.
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@profitius said in Ireland II:
The Ireland side will probably remain unchanged. Peter O'Mahony will be the only change in the squad and whether or not he starts is the question.
I don't think we (Ireland) will win this one. There are a few good reasons. Obviously the ABs will be firm favourites but from an Ireland point of view, everything went to plan in Chicago and thats unlikely to happen twice in a row. Hansen will be analysing the match and will strengthen areas the ABs got caught out, like the maul, not giving penalties away, garryowens etc. And in Chicago the ABs still scored 4 tries.
Ireland can still make it a tough game and they'll do the same again... mainly not give the ball away too easily. The Ireland defence is good and even the forwards are athletic and fairly fit. More mobile than the Australians and South Africans while probably being more physical than the Argentinians. Andy Farrell has made a massive difference since taking over in the summer and that might have caught the ABs off guard in the first test. It was interesting to see the ABs kick-pass the ball so much against the Italians. It was almost like they were practising it. I'd say we might see a bit of that next week.
So I would say business for the ABs but sport can throw up surprises. The weather will be a bit different than it was in Chicago.
It's a cliché, but Ireland don't do "not the underdog" very well. So on the one hand, expectation will be ramped up, on the other hand surely NZ won't play as badly as they did in Chicago?
If I were Hansen, I would play some territory (Ireland don't remotely have the same ability to strike long-distance tries as NZ) put pressure on the Irish halves (hopefully resulting in Sexton spitting the dummy), don't give away silly penalties that allow Ireland to kick to the corner and maul, compete better on the high ball etc.
I think the match could be very close though, especially if Ireland start well.
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@mariner4life said in Ireland II:
I'm just fucking astounded the world's premier halfback has one bad game and everyone wants him dropped.
He got hooked against the Boks earlier in the year for being average and in the mean time TJP has taken massive strides. His returns post the Wales series and Bledisloe I have been middling.
That said there are some players who are core to the team and you have to give them every chance to fight their way out of it. Smith deserves the big stage and another crack at it.
