Aussie Pro Rugby
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Fuck yes! NSW Sport Grant funding secured!
The club will still wear a bit of a cost BUT I can offer free rego ($30 for shorts and socks) this year.
And because our division only features 5 clubs with 2 Grades (of eight) we pay Pro-rata for the second grade.
Still have to pay full insurance for both grades tho
Donation of $5000 to the kids hospital is basically the only "big" outgoing this year.
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@no-quarter said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@no-quarter said in Aussie Rugby in general:
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@nepia said in Aussie Rugby in general:
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@nepia said in Aussie Rugby in general:
FFS man, are you just being a dick or do you really think Allardice making inappropriate comments to his teammates which are overheard by the public is similar to posting comments on social media?
Lets try a different tack on this: if people overhear/ read the same comment, explain the difference as you see it.
Can't be arsed discussing this if you think talking to your mates and sending a comment out via a public social media app is the same thing.
FFS. I give you an opportunity to explain why you see them as being different and you take the time to write a response doing anything but. The point isn't that Allardice said something to his mates, it's that the public heard it. The same public that could read Folau's bigotry.
The difference being that Allardice's comment wasn't meant to be heard by the public, while Folau's comments clearly were.
Sweet. So be a raging homophobe with your mates, even attack any of them that are gay. All A-OK. But make a comment reciting the bible on social media and you've got hell to pay.
I'm surprised you are defending Allardice.
Where did I say that it's all okay? And where did I defend Allardice? Oh, right, I didn't!
You say that Weber is not virtue signaling despite the obvious difference in the way he handled both events. And to back that up, your saying that the reason he didn't take a big virtuous public stance over Allardace is because Allardice's words were not meant to be overheard, whereas Folau recited a verse from the bible on social media.
Did I get that right? So only take a public stance if someone is displaying homophobic behaviour on social media, but not if they do it in other parts of life despite it being overheard and widely reported?
Edit - and don't try and tell me Weber couldn't send Folau a private message. That's absurd.
Edit #2 - anyway my point was that Weber's comments are clearly just bullshit virtue signaling, and it took about 5 minutes for someone to unearth his hypocrisy. Not worth debating that any further as it's more just an opinion.
Maybe Weber reprimanded him at the time, but the people who overheard didn't think that bit was juicy enough to go to the papers with. Is saying "Here come the gays" really a slur? Maybe he was praising his team mates
As for people getting offended by what Folau said - does Weber believe in hell? Do his relatives? If not, who gives a fuck. It's only gay, devout Christians who should really be offended isn't it? And if so, wouldn't they understand it's just "the truth"?
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@barbarian said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@barbarian perhaps, given the miracle you'll need there, a few more god-botherers should be signed?
There's a long-haired bloke from Nazareth I've had my eye on, but I don't think he's Wallaby eligible, sadly...
Can't catch. Wounded hands.
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@mokey said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@booboo Would be great at catering the after match function, but.
Limited menu?
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I recall a bus trip to the Barossa to play rugby. Yes there us (or at least was) a rugby club there.
Old Collegians 3rd grade v Barossa. We got cleaned up.
One if the songs on the way back was to the tune of The Battle Hymn of the Republic (you know "Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!"), which I had never heard prior or since, explored the reasons why our Lord and Saviour was no good at The Game They Play in Heaven ...
"Jesus can't play rugby coz his hands are full of holes,
Jesus can't play rugby coz his hands are full of holes,
Jesus can't play rugby coz his hands are full of holes,
And (something something something) no more-or-ore ...""Jesus can't play rugby coz his Dad will fix the game,
Jesus can't play rugby coz his Dad will fix the game,
... "Good trip. Didn't make it to to single winery though ...
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@catogrande said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@mokey said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@booboo Would be great at catering the after match function, but.
Limited menu?
Fish is good for you. Omega 3.
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This is a debate for the ages and no one from either view point is going to back down.
If anyone is interested in my five cents, here it is.
Firstly Folou is entitled to his own opinions as we all are, but he is either extremely naive or really really stupid.
You just can’t say such offensive things these days and expect to get away with it by hiding behind religion.
I was brought up that if I didn’t have anything nice to say, don’t say it at all.
Yes I might think a certain way about something, but I have enough self awareness and control to know which of my opinions I should keep to myself.As much as I hate to admit it I actually agree with Ratpoos comments in the Herald yesterday or Monday.
Religion should be kept out of sports.
Why are those with religious beliefs allowed to ‘promote’ god with writing on their wrist tape or in a speech or interview etc, but someone can’t promote a sponsor?
What’s the difference, either way they are promoting their own product/agenda that has nothing to do with what we’ve paid good money to watch.
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@barbarian said in Aussie Rugby in general:
There's a long-haired bloke from Nazareth I've had my eye on, but I don't think he's Wallaby eligible, sadly...
Headgear not legal, either.
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I'm amazed at the sudden surge of Christianity there is out there!..I mean that's the logical explanation to this uproar isn't it?
"How dare you say that gay people are going to go to a place I don't remotely believe in!"
Also are kids so fragile that they'll top themselves cause Izzy doesn't approve of homosexuality? Boy are they in for a shock in the real world
What happened to "sticks and stones" ? Imagine if that attitude was encouraged, freedom, open debate, agreeing to disagree those sort of horrific principals.
As for the litany of players and celebs bravely speaking out against Folau:
Facebook Activist Finds the Courage to Speak Out Against Nazis…No Matter How Many Friends She Loses
When McKenzie wrote this message for her more-than 4900 Facebook Friends she had no idea what would happen, but what happened next was amazing!
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@rembrandt said in Aussie Rugby in general:
I'm amazed at the sudden surge of Christianity there is out there!..I mean that's the logical explanation to this uproar isn't it?
"How dare you say that gay people are going to go to a place I don't remotely believe in!"
I did think about this and (in Weber's case) it is just the simplification of what he feels. The point is that if a christian says 'you will go to hell' they are saying 'I disapprove of you', 'you are a lesser (unworthy) person', 'you are not as deserving as I am' all on the basis of sexuality.
If you subscribe to today's societal norms that sexuality is as much a choice as skin colour, try replacing the subject of those comments with a person of different race. It is totally unacceptable.
What Folau needs to realise is that his personal views differ to the current wider view of the society he operates in. If he can come up with logical reasons to support a change to this 'societal view' then by all means air them and debate them. His different view, however, is based only on a belief, so he needs to learn to temper that view when communicating outside of his circle.
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@rembrandt said in Aussie Rugby in general:
I'm amazed at the sudden surge of Christianity there is out there!..I mean that's the logical explanation to this uproar isn't it?
"How dare you say that gay people are going to go to a place I don't remotely believe in!"
Also are kids so fragile that they'll top themselves cause Izzy doesn't approve of homosexuality? Boy are they in for a shock in the real world
What happened to "sticks and stones" ? Imagine if that attitude was encouraged, freedom, open debate, agreeing to disagree those sort of horrific principals.
As for the litany of players and celebs bravely speaking out against Folau:
Facebook Activist Finds the Courage to Speak Out Against Nazis…No Matter How Many Friends She Loses
When McKenzie wrote this message for her more-than 4900 Facebook Friends she had no idea what would happen, but what happened next was amazing!
Snigger.
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I have three more things to add to this thread:
Firstly, one of my issues with the over the top reaction to Folau's comments are the power that people have given his words, and the message that sends to the younger generation.
Sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me.
That's an old saying, and I've heard people recently claiming it's not true and that words do hurt, even going as far as claiming words can be violence.
That is patently ridiculous. We seem to be raising a generation of kids in cotton wool, and denying them the chance to develop the tools they will need to survive in the real world, notably a bit of resilience. We've got to stop this bullshit victim-hood culture.
Secondly, another issue I have is people are making the argument that just because Folau may hold some unpopular beliefs, he should self-police himself and not express them. I just could not disagree with that more. People being free to express their unpopular ideas is what has led to some of the biggest social changes.
If you disagree with someone, attempting to just silence them is the worst possible response. People should be able to openly debate any idea or belief - that is absolutely fundamental to society - and I am getting sick of attempts to silence dissenting views.
And lastly, @Tim alluded to this in the Politics thread. All of the media and activists that are so appalled by what Folau posted because of the hurt it will cause gay people, have ensured that every single person in NZ, Australia and many abroad have seen it by plastering it all over media and social media platforms. For people that claim to care about the "hurt" these words can cause, they sure did a great job of spreading his message to the ends of the earth.
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I am a bit surprised at some of the outcry. A lot of Christians believe that gay people go to hell. That's hardly a new development. Were people surprised at this? Did people not know that tenet of the faith?
Israel has believed this for a long time. Chances are quite a few more people believe it too. So was Brad Weber disgusted to play with him before he vocalised this view? Or only after? Is he digging into the views of his teammates on the subject?
And the question a few have raised - what about SBW?
I actually applaud the ARU for sticking by their inclusion policy here. Gay people are welcome in our game, and so are Christians. We don't have to agree, but we can all get along when we're on the field.
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I have as much faith that homosexuals can be 'cured' of the gay by repenting, as Folau can be 'cured' of his belief in a hell by badgering him on twitter and calling him to a meeting at HQ.
Twitter. What is it good for? Apparently not good for answering a direct question to oneself.
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@no-quarter said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Secondly, another issue I have is people are making the argument that just because Folau may hold some unpopular beliefs, he should self-police himself and not express them. I just could not disagree with that more. People being free to express their unpopular ideas is what has led to some of the biggest social changes.
There is a big difference between expressing a belief based on fact and a belief based on belief.
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@crucial said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@no-quarter said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Secondly, another issue I have is people are making the argument that just because Folau may hold some unpopular beliefs, he should self-police himself and not express them. I just could not disagree with that more. People being free to express their unpopular ideas is what has led to some of the biggest social changes.
There is a big difference between expressing a belief based on fact and a belief based on belief.
I could not agree more with your last sentence but the lead up to it is fallacious.I think facts can arguably be more controversial than beliefs.
What if Israel was a social scientist and put a post up evidencing the differences in iq between racial groups?
Suddenly everyone would be wishing he was just a crazy christian
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Rob NIcol was interviewed yesterday and rather than use Role Model, he used 'Influencer'
BUt in better news, Hone Harawira has waded in on the debate...his comments might surprise a few
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503450&objectid=12035525
