Aussie Pro Rugby
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I don't see the issue with any of this. Falou said what he thinks, Weber said what he thinks. Both are right to do so. I would draw the line at either getting punished of silenced. And especially sponsors withdrawing. But as it stands currently... meh
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@no-quarter said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@no-quarter He didn't say he was disgusted by having to play rugby with people that have differing religious beliefs. He said he was disgusted by having to play rugby with someone who says people he (Weber) cares about go to hell for being gay.
Huh? Folau quoted a verse from the bible to answer the question, which states gay people will be judged by God. It doesn't get any more religious than that.
Apparently you have a problem reading, so I'll quote Weber's tweet again:
My cousin and her partner, and my Aunty and her partner are some of the most kind, caring & loving people I have ever had the pleasure of knowing. To think that I play against someone that says they'll go to Hell for being gay disgusts me.
Nowhere, he's saying that he's disgusted by having to play rugby with people with beliefs that differ from his (whether those beliefs are religious or not).
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@Stargazer The "says they'll go to Hell for being gay" part is the religious belief. He is disgusted that he has to play rugby with someone that holds this religious belief which differs from his own ideas. I don't think I can explain it any better than that?
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@no-quarter said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@Stargazer The "says they'll go to Hell for being gay" part is the religious belief. He is disgusted that he has to play rugby with someone that holds this religious belief which differs from his own ideas. I don't think I can explain it any better than that?
He doesn't say that he is disgusted that he has to play rugby with someone who holds this religious belief. He is disgusted that he has to play with someone who expresses that belief (the way Folau has).
I never said Folau's words weren't inspired by his religion. That's not the point. The point is that he expressed his religious beliefs, publically, in a way that is hurtful (and potentially harmful) to people. That's clearly what Weber was responding to; not the fact that Folau holds that belief, or the belief itself.
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@Stargazer right, I understand your point now - thanks for clarifying. Weber is disgusted to have to play rugby with people that express their religious beliefs if those beliefs don't align with his own world view. Sounds suspiciously like bigotry to me.
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@no-quarter said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@Stargazer right, I understand your point now - thanks for clarifying. Weber is disgusted to have to play rugby with people that express their religious beliefs if those beliefs don't align with his own world view. Sounds suspiciously like bigotry to me.
No, that's not what I'm saying. And I think you know that. You come across as quarrelsome, so this is my last response to you on this matter.
It's not about his (Weber's) world view or whether that world view is different from Folau's. It's about Folau expressing these particular beliefs the way he has and the hurtful (and potentially harmful) effect that has on people Weber cares about (and therefore on him).
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So in summation, posting bible extracts on Instagram hurts people's feelings. People that wouldn't see it unless you pointed it out to them. And professional rugby players posting bible extracts on Instagram disgusts Weber.
Yes I'm being slightly facetious.
@taniwharugby said in Aussie Rugby in general:
My guess is he will head to Europe (although NRL is an option too) Aus will lose one of their best rugby players and the Silver Ferns will lose their best netballer...
Probably the greatest crime in the entire saga.
@nta said in Aussie Rugby in general:
I was having a beer with @mariner4life and one of his QLD buddies recently in Surry Hills, and their eyes nearly popped out of their head when I said there was only 1 development officer for Western Sydney.
One person. Western Sydney.Which is near criminal when you see the talent pool out there and the repeated floggings handed out to the Emus. I'm genuinely surprised the club still exists.
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Fuck yes! NSW Sport Grant funding secured!
The club will still wear a bit of a cost BUT I can offer free rego ($30 for shorts and socks) this year.
And because our division only features 5 clubs with 2 Grades (of eight) we pay Pro-rata for the second grade.
Still have to pay full insurance for both grades tho
Donation of $5000 to the kids hospital is basically the only "big" outgoing this year.
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@no-quarter said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@no-quarter said in Aussie Rugby in general:
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@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nepia said in Aussie Rugby in general:
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@nepia said in Aussie Rugby in general:
FFS man, are you just being a dick or do you really think Allardice making inappropriate comments to his teammates which are overheard by the public is similar to posting comments on social media?
Lets try a different tack on this: if people overhear/ read the same comment, explain the difference as you see it.
Can't be arsed discussing this if you think talking to your mates and sending a comment out via a public social media app is the same thing.
FFS. I give you an opportunity to explain why you see them as being different and you take the time to write a response doing anything but. The point isn't that Allardice said something to his mates, it's that the public heard it. The same public that could read Folau's bigotry.
The difference being that Allardice's comment wasn't meant to be heard by the public, while Folau's comments clearly were.
Sweet. So be a raging homophobe with your mates, even attack any of them that are gay. All A-OK. But make a comment reciting the bible on social media and you've got hell to pay.
I'm surprised you are defending Allardice.
Where did I say that it's all okay? And where did I defend Allardice? Oh, right, I didn't!
You say that Weber is not virtue signaling despite the obvious difference in the way he handled both events. And to back that up, your saying that the reason he didn't take a big virtuous public stance over Allardace is because Allardice's words were not meant to be overheard, whereas Folau recited a verse from the bible on social media.
Did I get that right? So only take a public stance if someone is displaying homophobic behaviour on social media, but not if they do it in other parts of life despite it being overheard and widely reported?
Edit - and don't try and tell me Weber couldn't send Folau a private message. That's absurd.
Edit #2 - anyway my point was that Weber's comments are clearly just bullshit virtue signaling, and it took about 5 minutes for someone to unearth his hypocrisy. Not worth debating that any further as it's more just an opinion.
Maybe Weber reprimanded him at the time, but the people who overheard didn't think that bit was juicy enough to go to the papers with. Is saying "Here come the gays" really a slur? Maybe he was praising his team mates
As for people getting offended by what Folau said - does Weber believe in hell? Do his relatives? If not, who gives a fuck. It's only gay, devout Christians who should really be offended isn't it? And if so, wouldn't they understand it's just "the truth"?
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@barbarian said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@barbarian perhaps, given the miracle you'll need there, a few more god-botherers should be signed?
There's a long-haired bloke from Nazareth I've had my eye on, but I don't think he's Wallaby eligible, sadly...
Can't catch. Wounded hands.
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@mokey said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@booboo Would be great at catering the after match function, but.
Limited menu?
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I recall a bus trip to the Barossa to play rugby. Yes there us (or at least was) a rugby club there.
Old Collegians 3rd grade v Barossa. We got cleaned up.
One if the songs on the way back was to the tune of The Battle Hymn of the Republic (you know "Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!"), which I had never heard prior or since, explored the reasons why our Lord and Saviour was no good at The Game They Play in Heaven ...
"Jesus can't play rugby coz his hands are full of holes,
Jesus can't play rugby coz his hands are full of holes,
Jesus can't play rugby coz his hands are full of holes,
And (something something something) no more-or-ore ...""Jesus can't play rugby coz his Dad will fix the game,
Jesus can't play rugby coz his Dad will fix the game,
... "Good trip. Didn't make it to to single winery though ...
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@catogrande said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@mokey said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@booboo Would be great at catering the after match function, but.
Limited menu?
Fish is good for you. Omega 3.
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This is a debate for the ages and no one from either view point is going to back down.
If anyone is interested in my five cents, here it is.
Firstly Folou is entitled to his own opinions as we all are, but he is either extremely naive or really really stupid.
You just can’t say such offensive things these days and expect to get away with it by hiding behind religion.
I was brought up that if I didn’t have anything nice to say, don’t say it at all.
Yes I might think a certain way about something, but I have enough self awareness and control to know which of my opinions I should keep to myself.As much as I hate to admit it I actually agree with Ratpoos comments in the Herald yesterday or Monday.
Religion should be kept out of sports.
Why are those with religious beliefs allowed to ‘promote’ god with writing on their wrist tape or in a speech or interview etc, but someone can’t promote a sponsor?
What’s the difference, either way they are promoting their own product/agenda that has nothing to do with what we’ve paid good money to watch.
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@barbarian said in Aussie Rugby in general:
There's a long-haired bloke from Nazareth I've had my eye on, but I don't think he's Wallaby eligible, sadly...
Headgear not legal, either.
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I'm amazed at the sudden surge of Christianity there is out there!..I mean that's the logical explanation to this uproar isn't it?
"How dare you say that gay people are going to go to a place I don't remotely believe in!"
Also are kids so fragile that they'll top themselves cause Izzy doesn't approve of homosexuality? Boy are they in for a shock in the real world
What happened to "sticks and stones" ? Imagine if that attitude was encouraged, freedom, open debate, agreeing to disagree those sort of horrific principals.
As for the litany of players and celebs bravely speaking out against Folau:
Facebook Activist Finds the Courage to Speak Out Against Nazis…No Matter How Many Friends She Loses
When McKenzie wrote this message for her more-than 4900 Facebook Friends she had no idea what would happen, but what happened next was amazing!
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@rembrandt said in Aussie Rugby in general:
I'm amazed at the sudden surge of Christianity there is out there!..I mean that's the logical explanation to this uproar isn't it?
"How dare you say that gay people are going to go to a place I don't remotely believe in!"
I did think about this and (in Weber's case) it is just the simplification of what he feels. The point is that if a christian says 'you will go to hell' they are saying 'I disapprove of you', 'you are a lesser (unworthy) person', 'you are not as deserving as I am' all on the basis of sexuality.
If you subscribe to today's societal norms that sexuality is as much a choice as skin colour, try replacing the subject of those comments with a person of different race. It is totally unacceptable.
What Folau needs to realise is that his personal views differ to the current wider view of the society he operates in. If he can come up with logical reasons to support a change to this 'societal view' then by all means air them and debate them. His different view, however, is based only on a belief, so he needs to learn to temper that view when communicating outside of his circle.
I would make exactly the same argument to people of other faiths when their beliefs are outside the overall norm.
