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    @brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

    @reprobate

    What is it you think is different about Blackadder?

    He and Jacobson are both utilities that are too small to be world class 6/8

    Cane and Papali'i are both specialist 7s.

    Blackadder looks lankier, maybe slightly longer forearms.

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    On the loose forwards, Papali'i and Blackadder hit the same number of breakdowns throughout the match with the starting locks, Codie Taylor and Tyrel Lomax the next best.

    Blackadder (20), Vaa'i (15) and De Groot (10) were the busiest tacklers, with Vaa'i and De Groot each making two dominant hits.

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    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

    @reprobate you have to question whether it's a microcosm of the wider issues - a lack of clarify and clear plan with too many cooks in the kitchen (5 different selectors).

    And this is on Razor.
    In his determination to do things differently, he's appears to have made a number of miscalculations thus far

    • ignoring Akira and Sotutu in favor a bunch of 6.5s
    • 5 coaches
    • weird ass Super rugby style game plan
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    The All Blacks' marketing crew is using the 2015 team to try and flog tickets to see 2024 side against Argentina.

    Talk about desperate.

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    @Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

    @brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

    @reprobate

    What is it you think is different about Blackadder?

    He and Jacobson are both utilities that are too small to be world class 6/8

    Cane and Papali'i are both specialist 7s.

    Blackadder looks lankier, maybe slightly longer forearms.

    All elbows and knees like his Dad Todd.

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    @reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

    @gt12 I agree, but think that Cane, DP and LJ are the most similar. EB is a bit different.
    I can't understand the thinking behind the overall selection, because alongside that we have Sititi who is nothing like Savea, and Finau is different to all the others. Where's the plan?

    Both power runners with some question marks over other aspects of their game. Both shine more provided their loosie mates do the donkey work. I think they’re more similar than you think.

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    @darylmitchell said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

    Maurice Trapp won 91% of his games with Auckland,

    He had a brilliant record in his first Ak stint 86/90 = 95.5%.

    But he come back for one season after Ak had declined and he had a rubbish record.

    Rugby: Trapp works from bottom of ruck to ARU head - NZ Herald

    In those five years Auckland played 90 games for 86 wins, one draw and three losses - two of the losses when Auckland's large All Black contingent was not available.

    During that time Trapp's side won all their 38 Ranfurly Shield defences, as part of Auckland's fabulous 61 successful defences between 1985 and 1993.

    Trapp returned briefly as Auckland selector-coach when Graham Henry left in mid-season for Wales in 1998, and is a member of the ARU board.

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    @DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

    Tony brown turned down Razor in 2019 to be part of his AB coaching bid to stay with JJ and Japan.

    He didn't turn him down so much as said he would stay with just the JJ team. I didn't get the impression he was anti Robertson just loyal to JJ

    But that was then. He was obviously open to offers when Robertson was appointed.

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    @Winger said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

    @DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

    Tony brown turned down Razor in 2019 to be part of his AB coaching bid to stay with JJ and Japan.

    He didn't turn him down so much as said he would stay with just the JJ team. I didn't get the impression he was anti Robertson just loyal to JJ

    But that was then. He was obviously open to offers when Robertson was appointed.

    Yeah, it's rather frustrating they couldn't at least try to make room for Tony Brown (who was off contract in 2024 after finishing up with Japan) considering how they could found room for 8 other assistants of various convoluted descriptions Lol...

    It seems to me that if Razor wanted it to happen enough he and Mark Robinson could've made a genuine attempt to get him but Brown simply wasn't part of the 'crew' being ex-Crusaders players or coaches, including the lineout and contact skills coaches Ellison and Flynn.

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    Shit I didn't realise Flynn was the lineout coach. Brilliant.

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    @sparky Doesn’t even make sense.

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    I was really hoping for some innovation with the new coaching staff.
    But we are now on game 4 and I have seen nothing yet. Super disappointed, might as well have just kept the fat man.
    Just hope this game we see some kind of plan and direction.
    Some little pop passes at the line, some backline moves, aggressive cleanouts, just show us something.

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    @Darren like at the world cup.

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    @Winger said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

    @DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

    Tony brown turned down Razor in 2019 to be part of his AB coaching bid to stay with JJ and Japan.

    He didn't turn him down so much as said he would stay with just the JJ team. I didn't get the impression he was anti Robertson just loyal to JJ

    But that was then. He was obviously open to offers when Robertson was appointed.

    Well he did turn him down because he didn’t join him. Doesn’t matter what the reason was for turning him down.

    We have said exactly the same thing basically.

    You just never know how Robertson took that or it meant he wouldn’t approach him again or he rates the other guys higher than Brown….who knows?

    Tony Brown has a big rep but as I said in another post is it really justified? (Genuine question as I haven’t seen a lot of Tony brown sides)

    Boks look good at the moment though….

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    @darylmitchell said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

    @Winger said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

    @DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

    Tony brown turned down Razor in 2019 to be part of his AB coaching bid to stay with JJ and Japan.

    He didn't turn him down so much as said he would stay with just the JJ team. I didn't get the impression he was anti Robertson just loyal to JJ

    But that was then. He was obviously open to offers when Robertson was appointed.

    Yeah, it's rather frustrating they couldn't at least try to make room for Tony Brown (who was off contract in 2024 after finishing up with Japan) considering how they could found room for 8 other assistants of various convoluted descriptions Lol...

    It seems to me that if Razor wanted it to happen enough he and Mark Robinson could've made a genuine attempt to get him but Brown simply wasn't part of the 'crew' being ex-Crusaders players or coaches, including the lineout and contact skills coaches Ellison and Flynn.

    Well in fairness, Robertson should be allowed to pick his team he wants and the team that has had a lot of success with.

    If you look at elite football managers they do the same thing. A whole team of coaches etc are part of the package.

    When Klopp left Liverpool it meant around 20 people left too as they were part of Klopp team and slot (the new mgr would bring his own team in).

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    I yearn for the days where we had a fullback that scored tries.

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    @Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

    I yearn for the days where we had a fullback that scored tries.

    or created tries

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    @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

    @Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

    I yearn for the days where we had a fullback that scored tries.

    or created tries

    I guess you missed the England Tests

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    @MiketheSnow that was great...but it hardly become a regular site over the last few years

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    So very close to knowing who is carrying the can from last week, and whether they can somehow make a decent forward pack out of their shambles of a loose forwards squad selection.

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