All Blacks 2024
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2024:
I really don’t get the akira love in. Bang average in his repeated AB appearances and heading overseas anyway. Really don’t think it’s a shocking call.
As I hardly watched super this year I don’t have an opinion on sotutu. Other than that he never really lit up his previous AB appearances but with limited opportunities. Apparently he was absolutely amazing in SR this year so I’ll have to accept that as fact.
Sotutu added a ruggedness to his game that wasn't there previously.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
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@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2024:
@Winger the idiot brigade out again. Give it a rest. It’s getting boring.
Where did the Crusaders finish up this year?
There's obvious bias. Even most (but obviosuly not all) Crusaders should be able to see this
That could be asking the impossible
Robertsons a fool really. All he had to do is not make any dubious Crusaders selections and everyone would have been on his side as the man.
So Ardie over Scott as captain
RR in preference to Bell
Plummer in preference to Havili
And not BlackadderThats it. He could have then brought them all in if and only if they proved themsleves in SRP 2025
I for one am glad Robertson isn’t selecting the fringe squad players with the purpose of keeping some internet forum fans happy.
I don't know, his selection of Blackadder and Havili is keeping some internet forum fans happy.
Definitely keeping me happy. And the majority of rugby punters across the country. I'd imagine. The criticism of his play is like pushing shit uphill for certain ferners. They keep doing it though. They'll die on that hill.
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I love this post.
Starts by admitting not watching the only competition that matters for AB selection.
Bags players for past performances when they are clearly playing to different instructions in the final-winning team, where their efforts were hugely important to the results across the season.
And they were part of the only team that went through teams before using their backs - exactly what everyone is banging on about us needing.
Chef’s kiss ferning.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2024:
I really don’t get the akira love in. Bang average in his repeated AB appearances and heading overseas anyway. Really don’t think it’s a shocking call.
As I hardly watched super this year I don’t have an opinion on sotutu. Other than that he never really lit up his previous AB appearances but with limited opportunities. Apparently he was absolutely amazing in SR this year so I’ll have to accept that as fact.
Sotutu added a ruggedness to his game that wasn't there previously.
Agreed and needs to be given another go.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
I love this post.
Starts by admitting not watching the only competition that matters for AB selection.
Bags players for past performances when they are clearly playing to different instructions in the final-winning team, where their efforts were hugely important to the results across the season.
And they were part of the only team that went through teams before using their backs - exactly what everyone is banging on about us needing.
Chef’s kiss ferning.
Nut meet shell.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
I love this post.
Starts by admitting not watching the only competition that matters for AB selection.
Bags players for past performances when they are clearly playing to different instructions in the final-winning team, where their efforts were hugely important to the results across the season.
And they were part of the only team that went through teams before using their backs - exactly what everyone is banging on about us needing.
Chef’s kiss ferning.
Whatever floats your boat.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024:
People on here forget SR finals Havilli and some classic performances esp. that victory in SA that saved Foster's ass.
Havili filled a role when the AB midfield was decimated by injury and he did OK in SA 2 but that was his peak.
I see the logic in Cane being in the squad, he's an absolute warrior with a ton of experience, zero ego, an asset in tough games and the sort of player an inexperienced new coach like Robertson would turn to.
You really can't say that about Havili with a fully-fit midfield.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024:
One thing I do know is that the 3 recent AB wins have shown some backbone. Something that was missing for large chunks of 2019-2023, WC excluded.
Way, way too early to judge.
IMO the rot started in '18 and continued thru to midway thru the 2023 RC. Maybe the turning point was Ellis Park last year or the Ireland 1/4 final, but who knows?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024:
One thing I do know is that the 3 recent AB wins have shown some backbone. Something that was missing for large chunks of 2019-2023, WC excluded.
Way, way too early to judge.
IMO the rot started in '18 and continued thru to midway thru the 2023 RC. Maybe the turning point was Ellis Park last year or the Ireland 1/4 final, but who knows?
I'd say 2017. Hansen orginally planned to finish then - in hindsightl that was the time to go. The next two years weren't great.
I'm still pissed at TJP in Lions 3 pissing aroudn flapping at the ref instead of clearing the ball from the
penaltyscrum we won at the end of the game. Cost us the chance of a series victory right there, with a second bite of the cherry. -
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.
The lack of physicality thing is a bit of a myth too
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
Kinda, but not really. We need one for the bench at most, not both of them, and ALB has a far better record.
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.
Not as a 12 he's not.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
To be honest, if people are happy with ALB playing at 12 for the All Blacks then they should be happy with David Havili playing there too... Neither of them have the physicality to play the same style of game as Jordie Barrett but, provided that's not the only game plan on the table from Robertson and co, then I can see Havili being a useful operator as a proper second five.
ALB is levels above Havili. Try again.
Not as a 12 he's not.
Just say you’re a 1 eyed cantab, it would be easier.
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A change of style for their halfbacks (i.e., more of a running threat) is why Christie wasn't selected.
