All Blacks vs England 2
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Lancaster-Park Finau's not bad in the lineout, we just chose to throw it to... Savea...?
Hoskins is a good lineout forward, though mentioning him is likely to get the Blues guys all frothy again.Our best lineout of the night was Finau over the back.
The AB lineout for years was helped by A Smith's pass. We could win it anywhere and still have good wide attacking ball. So lots of 2 and 4.
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Finau was a strong lineout option in SR. It makes literally no sense replacing him in the hope our lineout isn't the shambles it was against England.
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The first thing to fix is having faster distribution from the base i.e, Ratima starts and Christie goes back to passing school.
It essential we speed up our game because that is our natural advantage. We have the most instinctively attacking players in the world. -
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs England 2:
lineout and people are talking about our centre, that's just fucken weird.
No its not. We are allowed to post about more than one thing. Even if it upsets some.
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@Frank said in All Blacks vs England 2:
The first thing to fix is having faster distribution from the base i.e, Ratima starts and Christie goes back to passing school.
It essential we speed up our game because that is our natural advantage. We have the most instinctively attacking players in the world.Agree. And the HB change is the key starting point. But having 2 limited passers in midfield is also an issue.
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@Winger said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs England 2:
lineout and people are talking about our centre, that's just fucken weird.
No its not. We are allowed to post about more than one thing. Even if it upsets some.
Why do you think calling it weird is some sort of attack on free speech, when in fact not being allowed to call it weird would be that. It's fucken weird.
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If there was a decent Hurricanes lineout forward he would be talking about it more
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There were a few things happening with the lineout (other than the couple of complete shockers by Taylor where the throw barely went past head height or past 2) that I’d normally look past because with Whitelock and Retallick we had bail out options even against teams that like to attack opposition ball (like England). But we don’t have those now so we need to get it pinpoint and not muck around with the shuffling, calls and lifting.
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@ACT-Crusader I fucking despiiiiise that two formation lineout where they go to a usual formation, compress, and then expand again. I firmly believe your put yourselves under unnecessary pressure.
Identify the mismatch, call, quick feet and lift. Lineouts are basic. -
On the bright side a lineout is easier to fix than a scrum. We have a scrum
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs England 2:
On the bright side a lineout is easier to fix than a scrum. We have a scrum
But very often a shit line out can be a momentum killer
See D Lake for Wales
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs England 2:
On the bright side a lineout is easier to fix than a scrum. We have a scrum
But very often a shit line out can be a momentum killer
See D Lake for Wales
I would rather have a ropey scrum than a fucked lineout.
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A ropey scrum is a penalty magnet.
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I would rather both were functioning competently.
The lineout completely killed any momentum we had in the 1st half and were the main reason for us going in behind at halftime.
Lineouts are best when simple, quick and varied.
It’s not as if the English lineout is incredibly tall.
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Most games now have more lineouts than scrums.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Most games now have more lineouts than scrums.
And you can often get away with having a lesser scrum and still get FK / penalties as shown by the refs guessing after a few collapses.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Most games now have more lineouts than scrums.
And you can often get away with having a lesser scrum and still get FK / penalties as shown by the refs guessing after a few collapses.
Yep and also you cannot now re-scrum on a FK taking away the scrumming purely for a penalty option. A good idea IMO.
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Someone posted an interesting article on Itoje and in it the writer remarked how Scotty could have complained more about some of his lineout tactics. I'll have to go back and watch again.
The article got the height wrong (I don't think the English locks were much taller if at all, Itoje is definitely quick though) but it made an interesting point about the distinctions between 4 and 5 and how Patty and Scott are best in the same position. -
Stats
Lineouts - NZ 10/13; Eng 18/20
Scrums - NZ 4/4; Eng 7/11
Tackles - NZ 127/143 (89%); Eng 119/148 (80%)
Penalties - NZ 6; Eng 11
Rucks won - NZ 68/68 (100%); Eng 83/87 (95%) -
Watching the game I’d have thought the penalty count would have had a wider gap. Just goes to show how emotional you get watching
