All Blacks 2024
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Bovidae Potentially, but if we have learned one thing from Jase Ryan, it is that he likes specialists... the way I see it Finau and Blackadder are the blindsides, Papalii and Jacobson (Who is probably holding the spot of Cane) are the opensides, and Savea and Sititi are the number eights.
Sotutu is unique in being a specialist 8, but I doubt that is why he missed selection.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@george33 said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
So just hearing that Cullen Grace is also in Wellington if true that makes 41
Cullen Grace was named in the Maori squad?
Yeah he is I thought they are already training they play this Saturday.
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
The other odd thing about this team is that in the area's we lack depth they've chosen to not build any or give anyone a chance.
We need depth at lock and first 5, locks we have scooter, Vaai and PT. Scooter world class, the latter two struggled to impose themselves on the international game, both are long in the tooth.
At first 5 we selected Dmac and BB - no oppertunity forwarded to anyone else.
This seems like a lost oppertunity to build some, any kind of depth but the selections say they simply aren't interested.
Also apparently Perofeta is the best FB in the country - boy have our stocks fallen.
People complain about the selections of Bell and Sititi over more established players, and then moan when young players aren't picked in other positions. Clearly they don't rate Darry that highly, the two best young locks (Lord and Holland) are unavailable. Simply put there is not a young first five who is yet close to ABs standard. The only young 10 who got any consistent game time at 10 in Super Rugby was Cam Millar, and he is miles off the ABs.
As for Perofeta, he is surely keeping Will Jordan's jersey warm.
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@frugby You seem to be intentionally missing the point here - at first 5 and lock we have no established players to replace and the area's you need to build depth are where you throw in young guys to give them a chance.
We don't lack potential at hooker, nor at 8. I'm glad Sititi got a shot to build depth at 8.
We have a terrible lack of depth at lock and at first 5 we are relying on Dmac and BB who's best days seem to have ended in 2015 which is almost 10 years ago now...
Lets just put it this way if Plummer and Darry had been named in the squad I barely say it would have caused a ripple. As compared to Bell making the team.
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby You seem to be intentionally missing the point here - at first 5 and lock we have no established players to replace and the area's you need to build depth are where you throw in young guys to give them a chance.
We don't lack potential at hooker, nor at 8. I'm glad Sititi got a shot to build depth at 8.
We have a terrible lack of depth at lock and at first 5 we are relying on Dmac and BB who's best days seem to have ended in 2015 which is almost 10 years ago now...
Lets just put it this way if Plummer and Darry had been named in the squad I barely say it would have caused a ripple. As compared to Bell making the team.
I think the selectors would probably tell you though, they don't see Darry and Plummer at the level needed anyway. I think if they rated Darry as a potential talent, he'd be in over Vaa'i, let alone as a fourth lock. If they rated and wanted to get Plummer in the environment, they'd have either picked a bigger squad, or left out one of the wingers.
The difference is, they see Bell and Sititi as being a big part of the future.
Darry is probably rated below Lord and Holland for right or for wrong.
There is a more legitimate argument for Plummer, because all the other young 10s around don't look anywhere close to the ABs.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Ethan's games as AB
13 Nov vs Ireland at Dublin 20-29The starting loose forward trio in this game was Blackadder-Papalii-Savea.
that Ireland game:
- Ethan Blackadder – 6
A big day at the office in defence with 20 tackles and plenty of starch in the trenches. Was penalised on a late hit hit on Sexton, it was obvious the blacks were trying to put the fly-half off his game. No work with the ball in hand and really needed to be given more of a chance to get some go forward. Off at 61.
All Blacks player ratings vs Ireland | Autumn Nations Series
The All Blacks went down to a fabulous Irish team 29-20 in their penultimate match of the year. It was gob-smacking that the men in black went in at halftime with a 10-5 lead, owing to a huge defensive effort.
That sounds about right. Busy, but inaccurate and not all that effective against the bigger packs. Offers zero with ball in hand which is a bit of a problem in the modern game. I'm just really battling to see how he can get selected every chance without any sort of body of work at even Super level let alone test? Is there someone in the know that can actually speak to why he is so favoured that they'd upset the balance of loosies selected just to make room for him?
That doesn't say inaccurate, or ineffective. He offers considerably more ball in hand than Papalii or Jacobsen or Cane in my opinion. It's Savea (and Cane) that has been upsetting the balance of the loosies.
I would struggle to pick him given the injuries and lack of game time, but he is a good player with a big motor who hits hard, and I can see why coaches like him. He's far more Norm Maxwell than the Reuben Thorne someone accused him of being earlier. -
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Bovidae Potentially, but if we have learned one thing from Jase Ryan, it is that he likes specialists... the way I see it Finau and Blackadder are the blindsides, Papalii and Jacobson (Who is probably holding the spot of Cane) are the opensides, and Savea and Sititi are the number eights.
Sotutu is unique in being a specialist 8, but I doubt that is why he missed selection.
if people who keep telling me Ardie is an 8 no longer a 7 are correct then Sotutu is not unique...
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
He offers considerably more ball in hand than Papalii or Jacobsen
Gold
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Bovidae Potentially, but if we have learned one thing from Jase Ryan, it is that he likes specialists... the way I see it Finau and Blackadder are the blindsides, Papalii and Jacobson (Who is probably holding the spot of Cane) are the opensides, and Savea and Sititi are the number eights.
Sotutu is unique in being a specialist 8, but I doubt that is why he missed selection.
if people who keep telling me Ardie is an 8 no longer a 7 are correct then Sotutu is not unique...
Yeah again, the Sotutu can only play 8 thing is just an excuse. Surely he could play 6? I reckon he's played 6 before....
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Bovidae Potentially, but if we have learned one thing from Jase Ryan, it is that he likes specialists... the way I see it Finau and Blackadder are the blindsides, Papalii and Jacobson (Who is probably holding the spot of Cane) are the opensides, and Savea and Sititi are the number eights.
Sotutu is unique in being a specialist 8, but I doubt that is why he missed selection.
if people who keep telling me Ardie is an 8 no longer a 7 are correct then Sotutu is not unique...
Yeah again, the Sotutu can only play 8 thing is just an excuse. Surely he could play 6? I reckon he's played 6 before....
I don't see why he couldn't play there. In fact he may have even played there for the All Blacks in his brief stints I'm not sure.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Auckman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Patty T is an interesting one, another that hasn't really kicked on at international level, 31 with +40 tests and not a nailed on starter is small worry
Yes he's probably just a stop-gap for this year, maybe help the new younger locks get their feet. I am surprised he lasted the season and even more surprised he came back for the final.
Welcome to the Fern newbie.
Good to have you back bro.
For me Patty’s best AB footy was as an impact player off the bench. Him and Ofa Tu’ungafasi bringing some go forward late in the game.
Yes its been a while haha
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@Auckman said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Bovidae Potentially, but if we have learned one thing from Jase Ryan, it is that he likes specialists... the way I see it Finau and Blackadder are the blindsides, Papalii and Jacobson (Who is probably holding the spot of Cane) are the opensides, and Savea and Sititi are the number eights.
Sotutu is unique in being a specialist 8, but I doubt that is why he missed selection.
if people who keep telling me Ardie is an 8 no longer a 7 are correct then Sotutu is not unique...
Yeah again, the Sotutu can only play 8 thing is just an excuse. Surely he could play 6? I reckon he's played 6 before....
I don't see why he couldn't play there. In fact he may have even played there for the All Blacks in his brief stints I'm not sure.
I'd go as far as to say he at least has as big or close to the same body of work there as Sititi.
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just watching Sky open news and saw the team lining up for team photos. There were 40 players in the photo. Managed to freeze the picture and I.D. Josh Lord and Will Jordan as extras along with Darry, Bower, Lakai, Havilli and Love as expected.
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@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
just watching Sky open news and saw the team lining up for team photos. There were 40 players in the photo. Managed to freeze the picture and I.D. Josh Lord and Will Jordan as extras along with Darry, Bower, Lakai, Havilli and Love as expected. Plus one that I could not identify.
Sam Cane ?
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
From Two Cents Rugby channel.
Hoskins scored way more tries and assists and good passing.
Sotutu is also better in turnovers.
Far less tackles than the others (though Jacobson shouldn't be in there because he was 7)Aligns with the comment on his work on both sides of the ball.
I think they think he shirks the defensive work.
According to this guy Blues made marginally less tackles than the Chiefs overall in the season. Can't vouch for his numbers.Blue line is tackles per game.(Sotutu lowest)
Orange line is missed tackles (Sotutu highest)
It's evident to me that their analysis is including the finals, which pumps up Sititi's defensive numbers because that's pretty much all the Chiefs did in the final. Sititi practically doubled his season average.
Season data looks a little more like this:
What's telling is the work on the other side of the ball.
Metres Carries DB CB Passes O TA Points Sotutu 638 120 26 5 124 17 7 55 Sititi 361 102 18 3 46 5 0 10 Guess Razor isn't as interested in attack.
Missing forest for trees.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
This should have been identified before and then supported by the right specialist in the Blues/ABs.
The AB coaching set up worked with the Crusaders to take a look at Havili at 10 so you'd expect/think they did the same with the Blues and Hossa.
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Lakai is with the team as an ‘emerging player’. He was told he will be with the team for 2 weeks.
At the camp held the other week, Ruben Love was running at 10, Beauden Barrett wasn’t training much due to some kind of injury/infection. As far as I know, he is fine now.
The fact Love was running at 10 during that camp might tell you how big the gap is between those named and the next tier below that weren’t.
Caleb Clarke injury is also fine.
