Barnes autobiography
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@Catogrande said in Barnes autobiography:
@booboo said in Barnes autobiography:
@Catogrande said in Barnes autobiography:
You could be right. Who do you think was paid not to take a drop goal?
That's an irrelevant argument, the whole "we had our chances" thing.
We didn't have all the chances we should have had.
It’s our right dammit. OUR RIGHT!
Yeah, you didn’t get the breaks. Everyone knows that. Just like everyone knows that sometimes not getting the breaks is just sport. You didn’t get some of (ok well quite a few) that maybe you should have, but you still had chances; that is not irrelevant.
There are many times when you guys have got the breaks. That’s sport too.
The thing here though is we all tend to fix on the breaks we don’t get, it’s just that some of us don’t dwell on it that long.
Oh and Deans did score! 😀
I'm bored so I'll have another crack at this 😜
Don't agree at all when it comes to this match, it's an absolutely massive statistical outlier at every level of the game. That the IRB refused to even investigate is fishy as well. Why would they not even look at a game like that when so much money is on the line?
The talk about the forward pass from the media and fair weather fans after the match really helped take the focus away from those numbers Henry talks about in his book. I truly, 100% never gave a flying fuck about that pass, forward passes are missed all the time.
However, a team that is getting so completely dominated that they had to make 333 tackles will give away penalties every single time. It's not actually possible to be "disciplined" in that scenario unless you are OK with the other team easily racking up 50+ points. That's just the nature of the game, you get caught offside, coming in from the side, trying to slow the ball down etc because your team is on the back foot all game. Dominance like that leads to penalties or tries. The French were never going to just let us run up a score so they used every trick in the book and the ref turned a blind eye to it for sixty minutes. Sixty fucking minutes he didn't penalise the team getting completely fucked up in every area even once.
You just can't say with a straight face that game is just about "getting breaks". In cricket, games like that are investigated and they often find match fixing and black market betting at play. Why is everyone so certain rugby is immune to corruption?! Why would people not want that game to be properly investigated? It's never sat right with me.
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We talked about 2007 being the best squad to go to a World Cup.
87, like 95, was fully of young players yet to make a mark on international rugby. 2007 were dominant for 2 years prior.
87 was the most dominant side at a World Cup. No team got within 20 points of them. And they ushered in modern rugby👍
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@DaGrubster said in Barnes autobiography:
Actually just found it.
https://www.rugbydatabase.co.nz/team/refereeList.php?teamId=3
That is a fabulous table - especially if you sort by Win percentage.
I didn't realise what a fabulous referee Wayne Ericson was - he's become my all time favourite.
And Romain Poite - it just shows how one poor decision can tarnish a man's name!
I knew Kerry Fitzgerald was good. Stu Dickinson, Alan Lewis, Tony Spreadbury - marvellous referees.
And at the other end of the spectrum a gallery of dodgy Jaapies. Ralph Burmeister, Eddie Hoffmeyr, Piet Robbertse, Oom Gert Bezuidenhout. Fuck ém. They deserved to lose the cricket.
We should never have let Wayne near that whistle in the final. We should have insisted the French roll out Romain - especially knowing how much he owed us.
I could have lived with Angus Gardner - who keeps saying he's crap!!!
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@sparky said in Barnes autobiography:
I don’t think he had a bad game in the final by the way.
Bigger issues were the outstanding South African defence and goalkicking and the All Blacks not quite being able to take their chances.
Im thankful that he's retired
His reffing in the final (in part due to his dreadful assistants) was so bad I stopped watching the test. For the first time ever.
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Listening to various pods featuring Barnes flogging his book, the impression is that he isn't bitter, got some things wrong and is a bit of a self promoter. Now getting rich off his book. Fair play to him, he hasn't let the haters get to him. Somehow I expected more "depth" of character.
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@W32 said in Barnes autobiography:
Listening to various pods featuring Barnes flogging his book, the impression is that he isn't bitter, got some things wrong and is a bit of a self promoter. Now getting rich off his book. Fair play to him, he hasn't let the haters get to him. Somehow I expected more "depth" of character.
might be a little harsh to judge someone as a self promoter...based of what you heard from them on a literal publicity tour for their book...thats kind of what anyone would come across like in that situation
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@Kiwiwomble I suppose that's true. Maybe I should read the book
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@DaGrubster said in Barnes autobiography:
We talked about 2007 being the best squad to go to a World Cup.
87, like 95, was fully of young players yet to make a mark on international rugby. 2007 were dominant for 2 years prior.
87 was the most dominant side at a World Cup. No team got within 20 points of them. And they ushered in modern rugby👍
Was never sure if we had a great team or the rest of world was pretty crap Grubs. I wandered up to Playford Park and watched Wales who were having a training run on way to Wellington. Some of the local boys put up some oppsition for scrum practice etc, including a couple of Wanerers front rowers and Athletic 'B's hooker, Quinnel who was coaching the Welsh forwards actually told them to lay off a bit as they were starting to give them grief. World rugby was pretty poor late 80s, ABs just turned up and trotted out and won as a matter of course.
Did have some good refs then though, Fitzgerald from Aus I always thought was good, Norling, Hawke etc were all good refs. Mind you we didn't have constant replays etc to ruin games. -
@W32 said in Barnes autobiography:
@Kiwiwomble I suppose that's true. Maybe I should read the book
jeez...dont think i would go that far
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wait, there are saffers that can read??!!
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@Dan54 said in Barnes autobiography:
@DaGrubster said in Barnes autobiography:
We talked about 2007 being the best squad to go to a World Cup.
87, like 95, was fully of young players yet to make a mark on international rugby. 2007 were dominant for 2 years prior.
87 was the most dominant side at a World Cup. No team got within 20 points of them. And they ushered in modern rugby👍
Was never sure if we had a great team or the rest of world was pretty crap Grubs. I wandered up to Playford Park and watched Wales who were having a training run on way to Wellington. Some of the local boys put up some oppsition for scrum practice etc, including a couple of Wanerers front rowers and Athletic 'B's hooker, Quinnel who was coaching the Welsh forwards actually told them to lay off a bit as they were starting to give them grief. World rugby was pretty poor late 80s, ABs just turned up and trotted out and won as a matter of course.
Did have some good refs then though, Fitzgerald from Aus I always thought was good, Norling, Hawke etc were all good refs. Mind you we didn't have constant replays etc to ruin games.Wales international players got tuned up by munters from Levin ?
Fuck me, it doesn’t get worse than that.
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@mariner4life said in Barnes autobiography:
wait, there are saffers that can read??!!
Yes but by flashlight.
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@canefan said in Barnes autobiography:
He's shitty about Henry and GOAT questioning his ethics and his ability in that game
He goes back down in my estimation purely on point 1 aloneHave a look at the law company Squire Patton Boggs that he works for and their um interesting record and clients...
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@nostrildamus said in Barnes autobiography:
@canefan said in Barnes autobiography:
He's shitty about Henry and GOAT questioning his ethics and his ability in that game
He goes back down in my estimation purely on point 1 aloneHave a look at the law company Squire Patton Boggs that he works for and their um interesting record and clients...
Arms dealers and Middle Eastern oil caliphates?
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Been thinking about this.
I suspect Barnes had to put something controversial like the NZ stuff in to try and make it vaguely interesting.
An autobiography about refereeing? Good god.
I literally don’t care one iota about his life story. At least Owens is clearly an interesting and entertaining fellow.
Barnes? Yawn.
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The All Blacks were in a pretty poor state going into 1987.
We had the high court injunction in 85, rebel tour in 86, losing to Australia at home, then beaten up in France.
There was probably 3 teams that could have won the RWC in the first tournament and you are right, the international game wasn’t that great. I suppose that’s why no one got within 20 points of us. The next 3 years was a golden period for the ABs too.
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@nostrildamus said in Barnes autobiography:
@mariner4life said in Barnes autobiography:
wait, there are saffers that can read??!!
Yes but by flashlight.
One letter away...
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@canefan said in Barnes autobiography:
Have a look at the law company Squire Patton Boggs that he works for and their um interesting record and clients...
Arms dealers and Middle Eastern oil caliphates?///
... lose legal battles to Chevron of all companies, and who kill American journalists in embassies and cut them up into little pieces...and https://www.afr.com/companies/professional-services/squire-patton-boggs-300m-claim-misleading-says-getswift-20180717-h12ryc
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