RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia
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@GibbonRib said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@antipodean said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
Here's a shit take
Wow.
This was apparently written with no irony:
"If Jones wanted to protect his job, he would have rolled out the same tried and tested and failed international players who between 2016 and Jones taking over had won just 42 per cent of Tests."
42% you say? Shocking.
The thing that's got me a bit, is not just the young ones, but what the hell has happened to Koirbite and Kerevi etc, they look like they got no idea of what's going on
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@Dan54 said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
The thing that's got me a bit, is not just the young ones, but what the hell has happened to Koirbite and Kerevi etc, they look like they got no idea of what's going on
They look like they've got no confidence in the system(s) and coaches who they've only known a couple of months.
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Anyway mate
Here Tims view on it all
“The hard thing now is how do we provide hope for the next two years going into a British and Irish Lions series? And then in four years’ time, hosting your own Rugby World Cup? How do we regroup with the help of our New Zealand neighbours to try and continue to grow the game in Australia? We’re at the lowest we can be now.”
With NZs help. I guess he means having access to all our best players. Or getting more money from us. As their out of control leader continues to (try and) prove he's the top dog, macho man. And appoints another poor head coach or keeps Jones on. Maybe they might also try to add another 1 or 2 team to super rugby just because, like SA with 6 team in super rugby, they want more than us.
If Aust cut back to three super rugby teams and appoint competent leaders then let's help them out in every way we can. Otherwise let them stand on their own 2 feet. And not waste our time and money
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I am still of the idea that Ozzie keeps 5, we ditch NPC and have say 8 teams, plus Moana and Drua (and some Arg and Japan one day) but the comp is much longer. Not squeezed in but full home and away and large play offs series - quarters semis final. Most NZ and Oz players don't play enough rugby, esp compared to NH.
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@Winger said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
Anyway mate
Here Tims view on it all
“The hard thing now is how do we provide hope for the next two years going into a British and Irish Lions series? And then in four years’ time, hosting your own Rugby World Cup? How do we regroup with the help of our New Zealand neighbours to try and continue to grow the game in Australia? We’re at the lowest we can be now.”
With NZs help. I guess he means having access to all our best players. Or getting more money from us. As their out of control leader continues to (try and) prove he's the top dog, macho man. And appoints another poor head coach or keeps Jones on. Maybe they might also try to add another 1 or 2 team to super rugby just because, like SA with 6 team in super rugby, they want more than us.
If Aust cut back to three super rugby teams and appoint competent leaders then let's help them out in every way we can. Otherwise let them stand on their own 2 feet. And not waste our time and money
It kinda looks like you kiwis are obsessed with having more teams than the Aussies
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@Machpants said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
I am still of the idea that Ozzie keeps 5, we ditch NPC and have say 8 teams, plus Moana and Drua (and some Arg and Japan one day) but the comp is much longer. Not squeezed in but full home and away and large play offs series - quarters semis final. Most NZ and Oz players don't play enough rugby, esp compared to NH.
it won't happen unless super rugbs collapses. NZ I hope stick with 5 team but take steps to ensure one team doesn't always win year after year
And what about SA. 4 teams then up to 6. Now back to a manageable 4 teams. More is not always better
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@GibbonRib said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
It kinda looks like you kiwis are obsessed with having more teams than the Aussies
Maybe if Fiji say had 6 teams (and had better team than us). We might let our ego's get the better of us and make an unwise decision to increase our team numbers.
But with Aust and SA. No
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@Winger said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@Machpants said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
I am still of the idea that Ozzie keeps 5, we ditch NPC and have say 8 teams, plus Moana and Drua (and some Arg and Japan one day) but the comp is much longer. Not squeezed in but full home and away and large play offs series - quarters semis final. Most NZ and Oz players don't play enough rugby, esp compared to NH.
it won't happen unless super rugbs collapses. NZ I hope stick with 5 team but take steps to ensure one team doesn't always win year after year
And what about SA. 4 teams then up to 6. Now back to a manageable 4 teams. More is not always better
I certainly agree the increase in teams will initially lower the level, but it won't be so obvious as all the teams will be at around the level of Oz/Drua/MP. The problems ATM is that (4) NZ teams are so much better, along with an unsustainable NPC. A longer session, mid ground performance wise, with more players full time but less players Pro would be ideal imo.
But who really knows
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@No-Quarter said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
Pretty cool clip that shows the senior players reacting to what is happening and adjusting tactics.
Couple of culture-killers in that huddle!
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@voodoo said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@No-Quarter said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
Pretty cool clip that shows the senior players reacting to what is happening and adjusting tactics.
Couple of culture-killers in that huddle!
In an exclusive interview with The Weekend Australian, Jones said what had become clear over the past five months was Australian rugby has been unable to foster the elite on-field leadership needed to win a World Cup [.]
Former All Blacks coach Steve Hansen, a friend of Jones’s who was in Wallabies camp in the build-up to this World Cup, observed some parts of Australia’s high-performance program were 15 years behind the All Blacks.
What has become clearer to Jones in recent times is the lack of strong leadership in Australian ranks. While the omission of veteran playmaker Quade Cooper and former captain Michael Hooper has caused consternation and debate, Jones says such decisions were made to address what he has previously described as “deeper cultural issues” within the Wallabies.
“Well, you know good teams are always about good leaders and about good senior players and their ability to generate a strong team,” Jones said.
“And I think what’s happened over the last period of time – there’s been a there’s been a lack of leadership coaching in Australian rugby and there’s players who come through to the international level that don’t have the fundamental skills of leadership and the mental skills and preparation that are needed to be at your best consistently.”
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/rugby-union/i-want-to-leave-australian-rugby-in-a-better-place-than-it-was/news-story/323a4090781e70dd854e9aa3d651d9d1Looks like that worked a treat!
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@antipodean yes, that’s the article I was referencing. Makes Hoopers comments post-game all the more classy
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@antipodean said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
Former All Blacks coach Steve Hansen, a friend of Jones’s who was in Wallabies camp in the build-up to this World Cup, observed some parts of Australia’s high-performance program were 15 years behind the All Blacks.
That bad eh?
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@antipodean said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
Former All Blacks coach Steve Hansen, a friend of Jones’s who was in Wallabies camp in the build-up to this World Cup, observed some parts of Australia’s high-performance program were 15 years behind the All Blacks.
So we can look forward to more than another decade before Australia play a slow 6-foot 6 fullback on the wing..
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@antipodean said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
Former All Blacks coach Steve Hansen, a friend of Jones’s who was in Wallabies camp in the build-up to this World Cup, observed some parts of Australia’s high-performance program were 15 years behind the All Blacks.
That bad eh?
I think even the current All Blacks are 15 years behind the All Blacks
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I wonder where Aussie rugby union would be now if Raelene Castle hadn’t resigned ….due to bullying allegedly from a clique ticked off Phil Kearns didn’t get appointed to the position. She had the credentials to do a good job and the grit to make the tough decisions eg Folau.
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@allblackfan2 said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
I wonder where Aussie rugby union would be now if Raelene Castle hadn’t resigned ….due to bullying allegedly from a clique ticked off Phil Kearns didn’t get appointed to the position. She had the credentials to do a good job and the grit to make the tough decisions eg Folau.
Maybe ask the Bulldogs..?
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@antipodean I’m not into league but did a quick quiz online and see she was implicated in a salary cap blowout = financial issue for the club?
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@allblackfan2 said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
I wonder where Aussie rugby union would be now if Raelene Castle hadn’t resigned ….due to bullying allegedly from a clique ticked off Phil Kearns didn’t get appointed to the position. She had the credentials to do a good job and the grit to make the tough decisions eg Folau.
If failing upwards are good credentials then I agree. Didn't she resign Folau for 4 years after his initial comments?
Edit: Yep
She too was 💩
Folau to stay in Australia with new four-year deal
