RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia
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@bayimports said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@voodoo Ireland absolutely beatable, just our best team needs to execute accurately on the field. I think there is serious concerns over that, however doesn't mean you should give up before you even face them
the flip side is they will have to play well to beat us as well. If they have an off day, or their QF demons cause them to hesitate even a little then we'll get them.
The QFs are shaping up to be fucking tasty
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@NTA said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@Kirwan said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
We need to help them get strong again. Less teams for them and a better comp structure in Super rugby
Why? How?
Less teams just means less money and less chance at results.
We need to revamp all our shit internally. Forget the pro level at this point. It can't be papered over.
This will take a decade of proper grassroots reform.
This.
Rushing to say we urgently need to cull SR clubs is just as short-term as swapping the coach. Who are you going to cull - Melbourne, biggest city in Australia? Canberra, historically Australia's best performing team? Perth, another huge market with great development programs (and Twiggy money)? Making the call to just give up on those regions, without a vision of what the long term structure will be, would be rank stupidity.
Plus, if RA lose 40% of the teams, they should expect to lose 40% of the TV money. And 40% of the players whose wages it pays. Not the shitest 40% either, it'd be 40% of the stars and 40% of the benchwarmers.
Yeah, you can argue that it will increase competition, so the players will be forced to compete for the reduced contracts available. Which might work, as long as there are no other leagues globally willing to pony up plenty of money to anyone who can handle a Mediterranean lifestyle
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Warren dry as usual but speaks a lot of sense. Sounds like he has focused on sorting out the admin and issues players had and focused on building a happy team environment. Also pushed the players hard but as Shag mentioned upstairs is often where the game is won and lost. At the moment the Australian Squad is mentally fucked whereas the Welsh are on the up and up.
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@MN5 said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@taniwharugby said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
Apologies if already posted...
SBW cops alot of shit, but he is on the money here
Based on what I saw, he was the only explayer who had a pop at Eddie. Respect for that. Pity he has the oratory skills of Hodor.
I think he spoke pretty well actually, to be fair maybe that is cos he was standing next to Justin Plank Harrison who looked like he’d swallowed a wasp.
I actually thought Plank made a good counterpoint that the rot goes much deeper than Eddie and that's ultimately what needs to be addressed. At the end of the day Eddie was probably only speaking to Japan because he realised what an epic shit show he'd agreed to manage. No excuse for Eddie, he's a prize piston wristed gibbon, but that loss was at least a decade in the making, even if he probably made it worse.
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@mariner4life said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@bayimports said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@voodoo Ireland absolutely beatable, just our best team needs to execute accurately on the field. I think there is serious concerns over that, however doesn't mean you should give up before you even face them
the flip side is they will have to play well to beat us as well. If they have an off day, or their QF demons cause them to hesitate even a little then we'll get them.
The QFs are shaping up to be fucking tasty
I remember Chiefs fans riding a roller coaster under Fozzie, where their hopes would be built up only for them to be cruely torn down. Since Fozzie's reign as the AB coach is mirroring his efforts with the Chiefs, I am half expecting us to win a quarter final and then to get spat out like a flaccid penis in a semi final we would be expected to win.
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@voodoo said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@Machpants said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@mencey said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@Stargazer said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@mencey said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
Game over me thinks. Will they keep Eddie?
I suspect they'll keep Eddie ... with all the excuses of the Lions Tour and "2027"
Didn't think about that. The Lions will absolutely slaughter the Wallabies unless there are some serious changes. The thing that worries me is the way the All Blacks played against SA in the warm up and there first game against France, we may be looking down the barrel of another hiding against Ireland in the semi's assuming we get that far. Scott Robinson may have his work cut out for him the next few years. The defence of Ireland and Wales the last couple of days has been outstanding.
We face Ireland in the quarters, no way we make the semis. I am hoping we make a game of it unlike the wallabies here
Fuck man, enough with the defeatist bullshit, it's getting boring
Yeah, we lost to them in a series a year ago, we all remember it. We also thumped them 42-19 in the first game of that series remember? In the 2nd test we played for a while with 13 men, and with 14 for 18mins. And in the 3rd test we fought back to within 3 points with a side that included Havili at 12, BB at 10, no Scott Barrett, and RTS on the bench.
You may not like the lack of development since, but at the very least the starting side is absolutely settled now, assuming injury recovery continues the way we are told it is. Frizz over AI is an upgrade, JB over Havili at 12 is a huge upgrade. Midfield combo being settled is massive. SB is in great form so we have 3 quality locks to choose from.
Yeah this isn't a vintage AB side, props and back row still has real issues, and we lack punch at 15 and a cohesive kicking game.
But we aren't playing some mythical side on a run of 300 wins in a row. Ireland are absolutely beatable, and we absolutely have the team to do it in a one-off QF.
Get on the bandwagon man!!!
Yep. The Foster era has been crap, but it's ridiculous to compare us to that rabble this morning. We are not nor do I ever think we ever will be that bad.
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the "2 decade malaise" thing may be true
but what is also true is, last year, the wallabies, with far more unavailable players, beat South Africa, should have beaten us, beat Argentina, beat Scotland and Wales away, lost to France and Ireland away by 4 total points. And that EOY tour team was absolutely smashed by injury
This year they have beaten Georgia, and got absolutely fucking flogged in a do or die game by Wales. The hiring of Eddie at that time, and the Captain who made the Captain's call have very directly contributed to Australia probably missing out on the play off in a tournament they were given a soft draw in.
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Before appointing a new coach surely you need to do some background on what assistants he's bringing in
Wallabies defence coach is an ex league player with nearly zero rugby experience
Wallabies attack coach quit before the World Cup.
They bring in Jason Ryles - another league-ie with nearly zero rugby experience.
Meanwhile they shitcanned Rennie, McKellar, Wisemantel and Fisher.
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@KiwiMurph said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
Before appointing a new coach surely you need to do some background on what assistants he's bringing in
Wallabies defence coach is an ex league player with nearly zero rugby experience
Wallabies attack coach quit before the World Cup.
They bring in Jason Ryles - another league-ie with nearly zero rugby experience.
You do have to ask what Ryles brought to the Wallaby camp. Because he sure as shit wouldn't know how to attack in rugby.
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@KiwiMurph said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
Before appointing a new coach surely you need to do some background on what assistants he's bringing in
Wallabies defence coach is an ex league player with nearly zero rugby experience
Wallabies attack coach quit before the World Cup.
They bring in Jason Ryles - another league-ie with nearly zero rugby experience.
Meanwhile they shitcanned Rennie, McKellar, Wisemantel and Fisher.
He picked his assistants after his contract, McClenan was so desperate for Eddie that it didn't matter
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@Crazy-Horse said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
I remember Chiefs fans riding a roller coaster under Fozzie, where their hopes would be built up only for them to be cruely torn down. Since Fozzie's reign as the AB coach is mirroring his efforts with the Chiefs, I am half expecting us to win a quarter final and then to get spat out like a flaccid penis in a semi final we would be expected to win.
tbh, that is fairly standard for the All Blacks. Even if we had a good coach.
Half of our world cup exits have come a week after a stand-out performance, (95, 03, 19).
We are the the un-masters of the scrappy win while feeling a bit flat after an over-stimulated performance the week before.
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
Players must not:
Pick the ball up with their legs.
Intentionally collapse a ruck or jump on top of it.
Intentionally step on another player.
Fall onto, or over, the emerging ball while it is on the ground near to the ruck.
Kick, or attempt to kick, the ball out of a ruck.The question is when is the ball emerging and when is it clearly out with no one attempting to play the ball.
For me, the ball emerged and no one attempted to play it or was in a position to play it.
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@PecoTrain said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
Players must not:
Pick the ball up with their legs.
Intentionally collapse a ruck or jump on top of it.
Intentionally step on another player.
Fall onto, or over, the emerging ball while it is on the ground near to the ruck.
Kick, or attempt to kick, the ball out of a ruck.The question is when is the ball emerging and when is it clearly out with no one attempting to play the ball.
For me, the ball emerged and no one attempted to play it or was in a position to play it.
He's allowed to play it, just not dive on it within a metre of the ruck.
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@NTA said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@Kirwan said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
We need to help them get strong again. Less teams for them and a better comp structure in Super rugby
Why? How?
Less teams just means less money and less chance at results.
We need to revamp all our shit internally. Forget the pro level at this point. It can't be papered over.
This will take a decade of proper grassroots reform.
More competitive teams mean medicore players have to work harder to get selected. At the moment you can drift along being a bit shit, and it drags down your better players.
Get to no more than four, consider three, have us revamp Super Rugby teams as well (merged NPC), keep Drua, and that's a cood quality comp.
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@Kirwan said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
Get to no more than four, consider three, have us revamp Super Rugby teams as well (merged NPC), keep Drua, and that's a cood quality comp.
both Countries need a format where the players are in high performance environments for more than half the year.
Consider a non-AB super player. He spends 6 months in a fully professional environment, and then 6 months playing park football with part timers.
This, i think, is why we see so many guys go North and get better, 12 months a year in a professional environment doing nothing but working on their game, working and learning from and with the best.
Hell, even the guys in the ABs numbers 24-35 get super limited opportunities to play rugby for half the year.
Our structure fucking sucks on so many levels.
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@Kirwan said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
Get to no more than four, consider three, have us revamp Super Rugby teams as well (merged NPC), keep Drua, and that's a cood quality comp.
and get Argentina and Japan on board with comps that work for them, and make it a proper comp. Also look into west coast of USA - get into the $$$ and the talent pools
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@mariner4life look at someone like Cam Roigard...I know 2023 is different to a normal year, but look at how many minutes this kid has played since canes bowed out of Super rugby back in June!
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I'd encourage Oz to keep their five teams, add them to 10 NZ teams and the Drua. Have a 35 week season. More competitive for Oz, more opportunities for NZ and more money from more fixtures.
Winner winner chicken something.
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@antipodean said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
I'd encourage Oz to keep their dive teams
this is an excellent typo
