RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia
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the "2 decade malaise" thing may be true
but what is also true is, last year, the wallabies, with far more unavailable players, beat South Africa, should have beaten us, beat Argentina, beat Scotland and Wales away, lost to France and Ireland away by 4 total points. And that EOY tour team was absolutely smashed by injury
This year they have beaten Georgia, and got absolutely fucking flogged in a do or die game by Wales. The hiring of Eddie at that time, and the Captain who made the Captain's call have very directly contributed to Australia probably missing out on the play off in a tournament they were given a soft draw in.
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Before appointing a new coach surely you need to do some background on what assistants he's bringing in
Wallabies defence coach is an ex league player with nearly zero rugby experience
Wallabies attack coach quit before the World Cup.
They bring in Jason Ryles - another league-ie with nearly zero rugby experience.
Meanwhile they shitcanned Rennie, McKellar, Wisemantel and Fisher.
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@KiwiMurph said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
Before appointing a new coach surely you need to do some background on what assistants he's bringing in
Wallabies defence coach is an ex league player with nearly zero rugby experience
Wallabies attack coach quit before the World Cup.
They bring in Jason Ryles - another league-ie with nearly zero rugby experience.
You do have to ask what Ryles brought to the Wallaby camp. Because he sure as shit wouldn't know how to attack in rugby.
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@KiwiMurph said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
Before appointing a new coach surely you need to do some background on what assistants he's bringing in
Wallabies defence coach is an ex league player with nearly zero rugby experience
Wallabies attack coach quit before the World Cup.
They bring in Jason Ryles - another league-ie with nearly zero rugby experience.
Meanwhile they shitcanned Rennie, McKellar, Wisemantel and Fisher.
He picked his assistants after his contract, McClenan was so desperate for Eddie that it didn't matter
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@Crazy-Horse said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
I remember Chiefs fans riding a roller coaster under Fozzie, where their hopes would be built up only for them to be cruely torn down. Since Fozzie's reign as the AB coach is mirroring his efforts with the Chiefs, I am half expecting us to win a quarter final and then to get spat out like a flaccid penis in a semi final we would be expected to win.
tbh, that is fairly standard for the All Blacks. Even if we had a good coach.
Half of our world cup exits have come a week after a stand-out performance, (95, 03, 19).
We are the the un-masters of the scrappy win while feeling a bit flat after an over-stimulated performance the week before.
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
Players must not:
Pick the ball up with their legs.
Intentionally collapse a ruck or jump on top of it.
Intentionally step on another player.
Fall onto, or over, the emerging ball while it is on the ground near to the ruck.
Kick, or attempt to kick, the ball out of a ruck.The question is when is the ball emerging and when is it clearly out with no one attempting to play the ball.
For me, the ball emerged and no one attempted to play it or was in a position to play it.
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@PecoTrain said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
Players must not:
Pick the ball up with their legs.
Intentionally collapse a ruck or jump on top of it.
Intentionally step on another player.
Fall onto, or over, the emerging ball while it is on the ground near to the ruck.
Kick, or attempt to kick, the ball out of a ruck.The question is when is the ball emerging and when is it clearly out with no one attempting to play the ball.
For me, the ball emerged and no one attempted to play it or was in a position to play it.
He's allowed to play it, just not dive on it within a metre of the ruck.
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@NTA said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@Kirwan said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
We need to help them get strong again. Less teams for them and a better comp structure in Super rugby
Why? How?
Less teams just means less money and less chance at results.
We need to revamp all our shit internally. Forget the pro level at this point. It can't be papered over.
This will take a decade of proper grassroots reform.
More competitive teams mean medicore players have to work harder to get selected. At the moment you can drift along being a bit shit, and it drags down your better players.
Get to no more than four, consider three, have us revamp Super Rugby teams as well (merged NPC), keep Drua, and that's a cood quality comp.
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@Kirwan said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
Get to no more than four, consider three, have us revamp Super Rugby teams as well (merged NPC), keep Drua, and that's a cood quality comp.
both Countries need a format where the players are in high performance environments for more than half the year.
Consider a non-AB super player. He spends 6 months in a fully professional environment, and then 6 months playing park football with part timers.
This, i think, is why we see so many guys go North and get better, 12 months a year in a professional environment doing nothing but working on their game, working and learning from and with the best.
Hell, even the guys in the ABs numbers 24-35 get super limited opportunities to play rugby for half the year.
Our structure fucking sucks on so many levels.
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@Kirwan said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
Get to no more than four, consider three, have us revamp Super Rugby teams as well (merged NPC), keep Drua, and that's a cood quality comp.
and get Argentina and Japan on board with comps that work for them, and make it a proper comp. Also look into west coast of USA - get into the $$$ and the talent pools
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@mariner4life look at someone like Cam Roigard...I know 2023 is different to a normal year, but look at how many minutes this kid has played since canes bowed out of Super rugby back in June!
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I'd encourage Oz to keep their five teams, add them to 10 NZ teams and the Drua. Have a 35 week season. More competitive for Oz, more opportunities for NZ and more money from more fixtures.
Winner winner chicken something.
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@antipodean said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
I'd encourage Oz to keep their dive teams
this is an excellent typo
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@Kirwan said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
More competitive teams mean medicore players have to work harder to get selected. At the moment you can drift along being a bit shit, and it drags down your better players.
Given the number of mediocre players we have seen go overseas, I'm not sure I agree with you.
There will always be a number of mediocre players in rough proportion to the "good" ones. The funding pool is proportional, after all.
I don't think we'll see real change unless we have something substantive underneath or instead of Super Rugby.
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@KiwiMurph said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
The only way a second Sydney team would work would be if you put them on the Northern Beaches.
A Western Sydney team would be as useless as Moana Pasifika is in Auckland.
And there is no stadium on the beaches that would be up to spec, so you're kind of stuck with Western Sydney as a base.
And there is talent here BUT there are still no pathways to develop it.
Clubs out here would draw heavily on the Pasifika population BUT are in a direct bidding war with multiple NRL clubs for talent. Plus the administration of existing rugby clubs and the Waratahs is as amateur as the rest of the game.
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@Tim said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
Is it ever going to be worth having a team in Melbourne? Would they be better off with two Sydney teams instead?
I may be biased here, but feck off.
The Wallabies are in no position to be able to ignore a population of 5½ million, or whatever we're at now.
Yes it's a city full of AFL tragics. But increasingly so is Sydney, and I've heard that they're also a bit into league there too.
If Australia's going to get back on its feet again, it's not going to be through solely resurrecting the NSW and Qld school pathways that served them well in the amateur era.
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@NTA said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
@KiwiMurph said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:
The only way a second Sydney team would work would be if you put them on the Northern Beaches.
A Western Sydney team would be as useless as Moana Pasifika is in Auckland.
And there is no stadium on the beaches that would be up to spec, so you're kind of stuck with Western Sydney as a base.
And there is talent here BUT there are still no pathways to develop it.
Clubs out here would draw heavily on the Pasifika population BUT are in a direct bidding war with multiple NRL clubs for talent. Plus the administration of existing rugby clubs and the Waratahs is as amateur as the rest of the game.
Manly Oval holds 5k - that oughta be plenty
