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    The fact Leicester never played last year after that second test is quite telling. Not a great sign for him.

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    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:

    The fact Leicester never played last year after that second test is quite telling. Not a great sign for him.

    More to the point he left the EOYT before playing a match and wasn't called back.

    Maybe the personal reasons were genuine. His replacement (Telea) also played well enough not to be dropped.

    Still, it doesn't add up in his favour.

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    @Crucial

    LF did rejoin the ABs.

    And then he played for All Blacks XV.
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    Also, Telea played on the right wing. If anything, they persisted with the ineffective Clarke.

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    @Stargazer

    Stop bringing facts to discussions on the Fern. You have been warned.

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    @Crazy-Horse "Awful analysis, incorrect conclusions, zero insight. Wrong about pretty much everything"

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    @Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Crazy-Horse "Awful analysis, incorrect conclusions, zero insight. Wrong about pretty much everything"

    I don't have a tattoo... but if I did 😛

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    @Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Crazy-Horse "Awful analysis, incorrect conclusions, zero insight. Wrong about pretty much everything"

    You say that, but I've watched NZ rugby shows like The Breakdown.

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    @nzzp at this point, will have to go on my tombstone. Not going to get any more creative than that.

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    @Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:

    @nzzp at this point, will have to go on my tombstone. Not going to get any more creative than that.

    Always like Spike Milligan's inscription:
    I told you I was sick

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    @Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:

    @Crazy-Horse "Awful analysis, incorrect conclusions, zero insight. Wrong about pretty much everything"

    You say that, but I've watched NZ rugby shows like The Breakdown.

    Christ, compared to the professional pundits we're Nostril-bloody-damus

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    There are still some big games to come and the likes of Goodhue, Heem, Ennor, LF could either confirm or deny their own destiny.
    Without injury the only spot available would be a Utility one, a midfield/wing.

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    @Bones said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:

    Reckon he'd be an excellent "Kahui" even.

    Injured all the time ?

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    @MN5 said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:

    @Bones said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:

    Reckon he'd be an excellent "Kahui" even.

    Injured all the time ?

    At least he had Beaver’s phone number in his back pocket.

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    @Crucial said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:

    There are still some big games to come and the likes of Goodhue, Heem, Ennor, LF could either confirm or deny their own destiny.
    Without injury the only spot available would be a Utility one, a midfield/wing.

    J.Barrett, Ioane, Proctor, Heem, ALB.

    Havili & Ennor shouldn't be in the conversation.

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    @kiwi_expat said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:

    @Crucial said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:

    There are still some big games to come and the likes of Goodhue, Heem, Ennor, LF could either confirm or deny their own destiny.
    Without injury the only spot available would be a Utility one, a midfield/wing.

    J.Barrett, Ioane, Proctor, Heem, ALB.

    Havili & Ennor shouldn't be in the conversation.

    Havili might have ruled himself out if his hammy injury is bad.

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    @kiwi_expat said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:

    @Crucial said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:

    There are still some big games to come and the likes of Goodhue, Heem, Ennor, LF could either confirm or deny their own destiny.
    Without injury the only spot available would be a Utility one, a midfield/wing.

    J.Barrett, Ioane, Proctor, Heem, ALB.

    Havili & Ennor shouldn't be in the conversation.

    Havili and ALB will be there because Foster.....Dont see Heem and Proctor getting a look in.

    He won't roll those dice.

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    @Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:

    @kiwi_expat said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:

    @Crucial said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:

    There are still some big games to come and the likes of Goodhue, Heem, Ennor, LF could either confirm or deny their own destiny.
    Without injury the only spot available would be a Utility one, a midfield/wing.

    J.Barrett, Ioane, Proctor, Heem, ALB.

    Havili & Ennor shouldn't be in the conversation.

    Havili and ALB will be there because Foster.....Dont see Heem and Proctor getting a look in.

    He won't roll those dice.

    Are we seriously questioning ALB? Highly experienced and proven at both 12 and 13 in tests. Probably reads defence better than any of the candidates.

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    @Crucial said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:

    @Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:

    @kiwi_expat said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:

    @Crucial said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:

    There are still some big games to come and the likes of Goodhue, Heem, Ennor, LF could either confirm or deny their own destiny.
    Without injury the only spot available would be a Utility one, a midfield/wing.

    J.Barrett, Ioane, Proctor, Heem, ALB.

    Havili & Ennor shouldn't be in the conversation.

    Havili and ALB will be there because Foster.....Dont see Heem and Proctor getting a look in.

    He won't roll those dice.

    Are we seriously questioning ALB? Highly experienced and proven at both 12 and 13 in tests. Probably reads defence better than any of the candidates.

    He won’t let us down. But he won’t win us the cup either. Just too Vanilla for me. Opposition D won’t worry about him at all.

    Rieko for all his faults gives them kittens. He’s not a centres arsehole but his pace is an equaliser.

    ALB is a selection when you go out there to not lose. But at some point we need to go out and WIN it.

    Himself and Goodhue together still turns my stomach.

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    @Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:

    @Crucial said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:

    @Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:

    @kiwi_expat said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:

    @Crucial said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:

    There are still some big games to come and the likes of Goodhue, Heem, Ennor, LF could either confirm or deny their own destiny.
    Without injury the only spot available would be a Utility one, a midfield/wing.

    J.Barrett, Ioane, Proctor, Heem, ALB.

    Havili & Ennor shouldn't be in the conversation.

    Havili and ALB will be there because Foster.....Dont see Heem and Proctor getting a look in.

    He won't roll those dice.

    Are we seriously questioning ALB? Highly experienced and proven at both 12 and 13 in tests. Probably reads defence better than any of the candidates.

    He won’t let us down. But he won’t win us the cup either. Just too Vanilla for me. Opposition D won’t worry about him at all.

    Rieko for all his faults gives them kittens. He’s not a centres arsehole but his pace is an equaliser.

    ALB is a selection when you go out there to not lose. But at some point we need to go out and WIN it.

    Himself and Goodhue together still turns my stomach.

    Thing is, though - you don't need 15 excitement machines to win a World Cup. You need a lot of guys who will do their job and nullify the opposition. When you start "rolling the dice", you quickly find the flawed guys who won't do their job and will lose us the Cup.

    Here's our 2011 squad. A lot of guys who were middle-of-the-road ABs and actually pretty short on game-breakers and excitement machines.

    Remembering the All Blacks 2011 Rugby World Cup squad

    Remembering the All Blacks 2011 Rugby World Cup squad

    Labour Weekend 10 years ago saw New Zealanders focused on one event, the Rugby World Cup final in Auckland.

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  • CrucialC Offline
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    @Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:

    @Crucial said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:

    @Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:

    @kiwi_expat said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:

    @Crucial said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:

    There are still some big games to come and the likes of Goodhue, Heem, Ennor, LF could either confirm or deny their own destiny.
    Without injury the only spot available would be a Utility one, a midfield/wing.

    J.Barrett, Ioane, Proctor, Heem, ALB.

    Havili & Ennor shouldn't be in the conversation.

    Havili and ALB will be there because Foster.....Dont see Heem and Proctor getting a look in.

    He won't roll those dice.

    Are we seriously questioning ALB? Highly experienced and proven at both 12 and 13 in tests. Probably reads defence better than any of the candidates.

    He won’t let us down. But he won’t win us the cup either. Just too Vanilla for me. Opposition D won’t worry about him at all.

    Rieko for all his faults gives them kittens. He’s not a centres arsehole but his pace is an equaliser.

    ALB is a selection when you go out there to not lose. But at some point we need to go out and WIN it.

    Himself and Goodhue together still turns my stomach.

    I get the 'all in' approach but we are talking about a RWC Squad here. By your logic Conrad Smith wouldn't have won two of them.
    For starters he provides bench versatility.
    I get that he may not be a Nonu type 12 but neither are any of the other options. At 13 we are very light on experience.
    Also think you are vastly under-raing his abilities

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