"Potential future No.10s for the All Blacks"
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Zarn Sullivan stood a few times as a first receiver against the Tahs and looked impressive there. But it was only the Tahs and I guess McDonald will keep BB as his 1st Five. I really hope he can prove his worth next year as a 1st Five.
Interesting that nobody has mentioned Josh Ioane. He was good in the few minutes he played for the Chiefs this year, before his injury. I am not sold on his ability to control a game, though. -
@Chris One thing that could work, would be letting URC, MLR and Japanese Top League players have the opportunity to play NPC and become eligible to play for the ABs. The argument against this is that it would open the floodgates. End of the day Super Rugby players needs to be paid more and if they can find a solution to that problem, no one would be leaving Super Rugby at the rate they are,
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@SBW1 said in "Potential future No.10s for the All Blacks":
Could Jordie play 10 if he could it would be one hell of a bow to his string. Just a thought.
Jordie comes across as barely having the brains to run in the right direction. Can hardly see him being a game general despite his physical qualities
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@Crucial said in "Potential future No.10s for the All Blacks":
@SBW1 said in "Potential future No.10s for the All Blacks":
Could Jordie play 10 if he could it would be one hell of a bow to his string. Just a thought.
Jordie comes across as barely having the brains to run in the right direction. Can hardly see him being a game general despite his physical qualities
what? Unsure why you think this
He's played in 4 diff positions for the ÀBs so must follow instructions and speaks well enough
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@Winger said in "Potential future No.10s for the All Blacks":
@Crucial said in "Potential future No.10s for the All Blacks":
@SBW1 said in "Potential future No.10s for the All Blacks":
Could Jordie play 10 if he could it would be one hell of a bow to his string. Just a thought.
Jordie comes across as barely having the brains to run in the right direction. Can hardly see him being a game general despite his physical qualities
what? Unsure why you think this
He's played in 4 diff positions for the ÀBs so must follow instructions and speaks well enough
Don’t need someone that follows instructions. More one that runs the show.
I have only watched him play live twice and both times it was the players around him directing him.
Absolutely he can run, kick and pass and has the size and athleticism to play multiple positions at a high level but he’s no game runner.
A bigger version of BB. -
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@Duluth said in "Potential future No.10s for the All Blacks":
Honiball
Henry Honiball? 6 ft 3 apparently, that is a big 10!
(nb Wikipedia has it as 6 foot 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Honiball but I defer to ESPN and rugby 365 https://rugby365.com/tournaments/beware-the-french-honiball-warns-barry/)Henry William Honiball
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@Crucial said in "Potential future No.10s for the All Blacks":
@Crazy-Horse said in "Potential future No.10s for the All Blacks":
@Duluth said in "Potential future No.10s for the All Blacks":
@Nepia said in "Potential future No.10s for the All Blacks":
I reckon there's potential to DC him
I don't get the DC comparisons because physically they are such different players. The player he is most similar to IMO is Jordie Barrett. A very physical fullback with a huge boot. He's only slightly smaller than him and is still putting on muscle - 1.93m and 101kg
That would be enormous in comparison to previous AB 10s. Donald would be the closest specialist ten in the last couple of decades and he was 1.9 and 96kg
He could convert to ten and do well but I suspect his size and shape is more suited to fullback
When I compare him to DC I am referring to his ability to make things look easy and to make it look like he has all the time in the world. There is an economy of movement about him. Generic words I know, but I can't think of any other player around in NZ like that. Maybe someone else can explain it better
Bang on. That’s what I see with as well. “Economy of movement “ is a great description.
A 10 that has time on the ball is the optimal.
I can only draw parallels with cricket and the way players like Tendulkar in his prime seemed able to go and have a sip of tea while deciding what shot to play.I recall reading an article about Crowe like that, he just had more time than other players and yet never seemed to be hurried, yes, Carter had that at times too.
I'd agree that 1.9/1.93 or more is too big and slow for a 10 for most people, (including I think JB) but Sullivan just seems to have that extra time and class.
I could well be proven wrong though. But I suspect he has more ceiling at 10 than Perofeta and current BB.
Edit: and at 15 he seems quite a similar player to Shaun Stevenson; it would be a shame if they only directly compete at 15 (although I guess the AB coaches would ease in the latter at wing). -
@SBW1 said in "Potential future No.10s for the All Blacks":
@Crucial Can anyone remember if Israel Dagg ever dabbled at 10. I remember him having a very powerful boot which was useful at times.
Yep seem to recall he played there for the Bay a couple of times. That seems to be in the mist of my memory files.
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@SBW1 said in "Potential future No.10s for the All Blacks":
@Crucial Can anyone remember if Israel Dagg ever dabbled at 10. I remember him having a very powerful boot which was useful at times.
Dagg hasn't started a single game at 10 in his career, whether it's the Magpies, Highlanders, Crusaders or ABs. The three times he came off the bench for the ABs, he replaced a winger. No info about who he replaced in the games he didn't start for the Magpies or for the Crusaders, but most of the time that's likely to have been at fullback or the wing. There may have been a rare sighting at 10 for the Magpies, if they ran out of 10s due to injury during a game, but not planned. He's done some goal kicking for all the teams he's played for, but that's about it.
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Whatever the options at first-five are, I'd like to see potential 10's actually play 10 for their franchise. Just not convinced constantly shuffling potential AB 10's around the backline helps the ABs much.
