"Potential future No.10s for the All Blacks"
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@Nepia said in "Potential future No.10s for the All Blacks":
I reckon there's potential to DC him
I don't get the DC comparisons because physically they are such different players. The player he is most similar to IMO is Jordie Barrett. A very physical fullback with a huge boot. He's only slightly smaller than him and is still putting on muscle - 1.93m and 101kg
That would be enormous in comparison to previous AB 10s. Donald would be the closest specialist ten in the last couple of decades and he was 1.9 and 96kg
He could convert to ten and do well but I suspect his size and shape is more suited to fullback
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@Duluth said in "Potential future No.10s for the All Blacks":
@Nepia said in "Potential future No.10s for the All Blacks":
I reckon there's potential to DC him
I don't get the DC comparisons because physically they are such different players. The player he is most similar to IMO is Jordie Barrett. A very physical fullback with a huge boot. He's only slightly smaller than him and is still putting on muscle - 1.93m and 101kg
That would be enormous in comparison to previous AB 10s. Donald would be the closest specialist ten in the last couple of decades and he was 1.9 and 96kg
He could convert to ten and do well but I suspect his size and shape is more suited to fullback
I wasn't comparing him with DC from a playing/physical attribute point of view. I was suggesting they just take a punt on him like the Three Wise Men did on DC in 2004.
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@Duluth said in "Potential future No.10s for the All Blacks":
@Nepia said in "Potential future No.10s for the All Blacks":
I reckon there's potential to DC him
I don't get the DC comparisons because physically they are such different players. The player he is most similar to IMO is Jordie Barrett. A very physical fullback with a huge boot. He's only slightly smaller than him and is still putting on muscle - 1.93m and 101kg
That would be enormous in comparison to previous AB 10s. Donald would be the closest specialist ten in the last couple of decades and he was 1.9 and 96kg
He could convert to ten and do well but I suspect his size and shape is more suited to fullback
When I compare him to DC I am referring to his ability to make things look easy and to make it look like he has all the time in the world. There is an economy of movement about him. Generic words I know, but I can't think of any other player around in NZ like that. Maybe someone else can explain it better
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@Crazy-Horse said in "Potential future No.10s for the All Blacks":
@Duluth said in "Potential future No.10s for the All Blacks":
@Nepia said in "Potential future No.10s for the All Blacks":
I reckon there's potential to DC him
I don't get the DC comparisons because physically they are such different players. The player he is most similar to IMO is Jordie Barrett. A very physical fullback with a huge boot. He's only slightly smaller than him and is still putting on muscle - 1.93m and 101kg
That would be enormous in comparison to previous AB 10s. Donald would be the closest specialist ten in the last couple of decades and he was 1.9 and 96kg
He could convert to ten and do well but I suspect his size and shape is more suited to fullback
When I compare him to DC I am referring to his ability to make things look easy and to make it look like he has all the time in the world. There is an economy of movement about him. Generic words I know, but I can't think of any other player around in NZ like that. Maybe someone else can explain it better
Bang on. That’s what I see with as well. “Economy of movement “ is a great description.
A 10 that has time on the ball is the optimal.
I can only draw parallels with cricket and the way players like Tendulkar in his prime seemed able to go and have a sip of tea while deciding what shot to play. -
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Larger than Donald, Farrell, Pollard etc. Is there a successful Test 10 his size anywhere in the world? The time that he has at fullback, and occasionally going into first receiver, will be different when he’s the primary option. That why I’m sceptical, plus he does not have the acceleration of every AB ten (except Donald) over the last few decades
He’d be my starting AB fullback though
Maybe he moves and kicks arse. Maybe it wastes time he should be at fullback
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@Duluth many years ago, but Honiball was a big fella wasn't he? Larkham was a tall ten too compared to most of his peers.
Someone had a theory on here while ago (@Chris-B?) that players with long limbs were prone to getting their kicks charged because they too longer to kick. It might have been during a discussion on Jordie I think.
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@Crazy-Horse said in "Potential future No.10s for the All Blacks":
@Duluth many years ago, but Honiball was a big fella wasn't he? Larkham was a tall ten too compared to most of his peers.
Honiball wasn't that tall, he was physical.
Larkham? Was tall (still 4cm shorter) but was built like a whippet. More comparable to a B Barrett shape
Someone had a theory on here while ago (@Chris-B?) that players with long limbs were prone to getting their kicks charged because they too longer to kick. It might have been during a discussion on Jordie I think.
Different sizes and shapes for the demands of different positions. Makes sense to me. I wouldn't trust Jordie at 10 against any serious opposition but I rate him as a 12 & 15 for similar reasons
I feel I always have to add the note at the bottom: 'Sullivan might move and be a success'
(Incidentally he's a pretty good chance of playing 10 next weekend but it's only MP)
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@Duluth I know you are not writing him off as a 10 and I do agree his talent at 15 is starting to scream AB. I am not saying I am sure he will be a success at 10, but I would love him to get a decent run there to see if my suspicions are right. Fingers crossed for the weekend.
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@Tim said in "Potential future No.10s for the All Blacks":
@george33 Is he going to choose rugby or cricket?
If you had a choice you'd go cricket wouldn't you? More opportunity to make money and less chance you'll end up a vegetable later in life.
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Unfortunately covid meant the 2020 World Rugby U20s in Italy was cancelled and Sullivan may have been used at 1st 5. We'll never know. The wider training squad did include a number of other 10s (Reihana, Morgan, Love, Stu Cruden). He really needs to play there for Auckland first.
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