All Blacks 2023
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:
Interesting looking back on the TSF MOTM voting in recent years:
2022
33 Savea
28 Taukeiaho
19 Papali'i
17 R Ioane
13 Whitelock
13 S Barrett
11 Retallick
10 Smith
8 J Barrett
7 Lomax
6 Clarke
5 de Groot
4 A Ioane
4 Sotutu
4 Jordan
3 Telea
3 Reece
3 Bower
3 Cane
2 Perenara
2 Tupaea
1 RTS
1 Taylor
2021
18 Jordie Barrett
18 Akira Ioane
15 Dalton Papali'i
14 Will Jordan
13 Dane Coles
12 Rieko Ioane
12 Sam Whitelock
12 Aaron Smith
12 Luke Jacobson
10 Samisoni Taukeiaho
10 David Havili
10 Quinn Tupaea
10 Ethan Blackadder
8 Beauden Barrett
8 Ardie Savea
8 Brodie Retallick
7 Finlay Christie
5 Codie Taylor
5 Damian McKenzie
4 Sevu Reece
4 Brad Weber
4 Richie Mo'unga
3 Hoskins Sotutu
2 George Bridge
1 Scott Barrett
1 TJ Perenara
1 George BowerIt's harder to find the tally for 2020
But it is interesting to see where the 10's have been rated. BB with some moderate votes in 2021.
Neither 10 even featuring last year! So they never made the top 5 of any TSF vote
That's quite telling for such a critical position
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
To state the obvious loose forward feels like a real logjam position
Cane/Savea/Papalii feel locked in (also Scott Barrett if you consider him a 6)
That leaves Blackadder/Frizell/Akira/Sotutu/Harmon/MMT/Jacobson fighting for 2-3 spots?
At the moment I don't think Akira, Harmon, MMT, Jacobson would be high up the list options.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
To state the obvious loose forward feels like a real logjam position
Cane/Savea/Papalii feel locked in (also Scott Barrett if you consider him a 6)
That leaves Blackadder/Frizell/Akira/Sotutu/Harmon/MMT/Jacobson fighting for 2-3 spots?
frizell can finally fuck off, withy has been showing him up the last few weeks so cant even point to super level to justify getting a call up anymore
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
To state the obvious loose forward feels like a real logjam position
Cane/Savea/Papalii feel locked in (also Scott Barrett if you consider him a 6)
That leaves Blackadder/Frizell/Akira/Sotutu/Harmon/MMT/Jacobson fighting for 2-3 spots?
frizell can finally fuck off, withy has been showing him up the last few weeks so cant even point to super level to justify getting a call up anymore
Yep looks like he trying to stay injury free for his 2024 off shore contract.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
That is why you create live depth charts right down to your u/16s, to understand what your depth is to sustain the game plan you develop, its basic coaching strategy,and wether you have the depth for tweaks you need when variables come along.
Hard to explain to some one who is not involved in the coaching world and makes a living out of it.
But I will leave it there as it something coaches understandWell said, my fellow paid coach! It's amazing how some people just don't understand the basics of coaching, such as creating and maintaining a simple spreadsheet. It takes a professional to make a spreadsheet that truly captures the depth and potential of each player. Only a coach who makes a living out of the game knows how to make a spreadsheet that really sings. It's just another aspect of coaching that sets us apart from the amateurs.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
To state the obvious loose forward feels like a real logjam position
Cane/Savea/Papalii feel locked in (also Scott Barrett if you consider him a 6)
That leaves Blackadder/Frizell/Akira/Sotutu/Harmon/MMT/Jacobson fighting for 2-3 spots?
frizell can finally fuck off, withy has been showing him up the last few weeks so cant even point to super level to justify getting a call up anymore
Unfortunately that doesn't seem to matter with Frizell, he made the ABs from the Highlanders bench and was whisked back in asap after being a fuckwit. He clearly has the Foster nudes.
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@TSF-Bot said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2023:
That is why you create live depth charts right down to your u/16s, to understand what your depth is to sustain the game plan you develop, its basic coaching strategy,and wether you have the depth for tweaks you need when variables come along.
Hard to explain to some one who is not involved in the coaching world and makes a living out of it.
But I will leave it there as it something coaches understandWell said, my fellow paid coach! It's amazing how some people just don't understand the basics of coaching, such as creating and maintaining a simple spreadsheet. It takes a professional to make a spreadsheet that truly captures the depth and potential of each player. Only a coach who makes a living out of the game knows how to make a spreadsheet that really sings. It's just another aspect of coaching that sets us apart from the amateurs.
Then you would understand the word Nuffy then.
And the word Contextomy as you seems to like doing that as to seem clever. -
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2023:
No doubt @Chris-B is over-egging Mo'unga, probably to counter my negativity towards him, the truth probably lies somewhere in between. At the moment I have him alongside someone like Adam Thomson, a super star at Super level, but a lightweight at test level.
The relentless negativity of the whole fern.
I do mean what I (and Reason) say about Richie being the finest Super rugby player of all time.
And that I wouldn't swap him for Handre Pollard. Jesus - look at some of the depths Handre's career has plumbed - his teams usually lose to fucking Australia.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2023:
I do mean what I (and Reason) say about Richie being the finest Super rugby player of all time.
- Agreeing with Reason?
- Finest Super player of all time? Sounds like its own thread debate.
- Relentless negativity of the Fern? Thanks!
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@Tim his comments re the captain are odd...
Foster said he wanted to keep the identity of his captain under his hat at this stage, but admitted that the All Blacks were already “pretty clear” about who they wanted.
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@taniwharugby If Foster is quoted correctly, that article is almost an endorsement of Cane as captain. He didn't say it, but it's pretty obvious.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@taniwharugby If Foster is quoted correctly, that article is almost an endorsement of Cane as captain. He didn't say it, but it's pretty obvious.
I wouldn't expect any less. He's loyal, at times to a fault. And he hitched his wagon to Cane from the start. The only thing that stops Sam leading us into the test season and RWC is his health
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What a shit show. I can't figure out why some names are bold and others aren't.
X-factor meets experience in former All Black's preferred World Cup squad
Some in-form players have been rewarded with an endorsement from former All Blacks halfback Steve Devine, other omissions may ruffle feathers.
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@Stargazer well Cane as his captain is entirely expected, its more he said he will keep it under his hat...why? Short of a season ending injury Cane will captain the ABs through to either our exit or victory at the RWC.
He's keeping it under his hat well into super rugby, didn't he hitch his wagon to Cane very early or before super season in 2020?
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