6N Ireland v England
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Fuck, that was a tough watch. Nerves getting to the Irish players on the occasion. First GS at home and all that.
Fair play to England for making that very difficult, even when down to 14 (I thought it was a yellow myself, Barnes would have probably just awarded a penalty!).
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Really not convinced on that RC.
Infield argument was no mitigation but to me the starting premise was all wrong.
Was there head contact? Yes
Was there foul play? Very debatable. The player certainly looked to decide to pull away from a collision. Looked very accidental to me. Did he make the right choice in trying to pull out? No. But that’s not foul play. That’s a split second decision to try and avoid danger that went the other way.
Add to that the Ireland player charged head first into contact while out of control while regathering and it was all just a rugby accident to my eyes. -
@Billy-Tell said in 6N Ireland v England:
@Bones said in 6N Ireland v England:
@Billy-Tell said in 6N Ireland v England:
That is not foul play! Guy braced himself. Fuck that’s crap.
He ran into a guy's head, elbow and shoulder first. Hard to come up with a more clear red card.
If he'd just carried on with a legal tackle then no problems
I dunno. No doubt you played rugby too but I reckon he just braced himself. I’ll have to look again. I wish they’d do super rugby and give him 10. Then the tmo can calmly review. But the tmo today is the worst in the business.
I thought George Ayoub had retired!
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@Crucial said in 6N Ireland v England:
Really not convinced on that RC.
Infield argument was no mitigation but to me the starting premise was all wrong.
Was there head contact? Yes
Was there foul play? Very debatable. The player certainly looked to decide to pull away from a collision. Looked very accidental to me. Did he make the right choice in trying to pull out? No. But that’s not foul play. That’s a split second decision to try and avoid danger that went the other way.
Add to that the Ireland player charged head first into contact while out of control while regathering and it was all just a rugby accident to my eyes.The problem is - "Foul Play" doesn't actually mean "foul play" anymore.
Just like "Deliberate Knock-On" doesn't actually/literally define what the offence actually is.
"just a rugby accident" - which involves contact to the head - is Foul Play. And will be penalised.
The sooner the players realise that - the less cards there will be.
The sooner the pundits realise that - the sooner we can stop hearing the infantile whines of "The game is an absolute joke." -
Having said that - it was an unfortunate one.
He had fuck all time to make a decision, and made the wrong one.
BUT - I guess the onus should then become... don't put yourself in that position in the first place.
As to the asinine "What else could he have done?" bleating? It's already been answered several times, but best option was probably to continue with a legal tackle.- If he was able to do that, and truly didn't have the time to do anything else - then it wouldn't be ruled as a late tackle, as he'd "already committed"
- If he wasn't able to do that, then he was never in a position to do anything other than an act of "Foul Play" -and therefore... a card was always in the pipeline anyway.
The more I see these things though, the more I like what we're doing in Super Rugby... the Yellow which can be upgraded to Red after considered unpressured reflection.
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Oh dear, and he is, presumably, paid to comment on the game!
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sports/other/sonny-bill-williams-makes-shock-predictions-for-six-nations-finale/ar-AA18MN4A?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=a3a0970317054bb4bef563afab774e10&ei=16 -
@Higgins said in 6N Ireland v England:
Oh dear, and he is, presumably, paid to comment on the game!
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sports/other/sonny-bill-williams-makes-shock-predictions-for-six-nations-finale/ar-AA18MN4A?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=a3a0970317054bb4bef563afab774e10&ei=16I’d be talking shit too if Mark Hunt had knocked me out
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I'm normally stentorian in spurning the adjudications of the match officials, but I can't see how that's not a RC. A pity, because with some better individual decision making England were well in that match.
Well done to Ireland on the GS.
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Once this Ireland have finished partying tonight, they can have a nice lazy Sunday and bask in the glow of a grand slam.
And come Monday morning they can call their travel agent and ask for a return flight from Paris to Dublin on October 15th because they are 100% going out in the quarters.
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Lol meme game
Ireland tried to fucking choke that so hard, only for the ref to bail them out.
England just turned it in to a mouthy shitfight in the 2nd half and it nearly fucking worked. But 40+ minutes is a long time to be down to 14
Sheehan's try was so fucking good, a great set piece try
England defended so well for the most part but their attack sucks, Farrell is where attacking rugby goes to die.
Well done Ireland, deserved title, really good team playing with complete confidence in their plan. It wasn't overly tested today but their defence is pretty awesome.
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This game contained so much of the thing that passes me off most in rugby
The complete ignoring of the breakdown work of the team in possession.
On your feet? No. All good play on
Diving over the ruck? No? All good play onTest rugby is less and less a game of constant contest
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@Kruse said in 6N Ireland v England:
@Crucial said in 6N Ireland v England:
Really not convinced on that RC.
Infield argument was no mitigation but to me the starting premise was all wrong.
Was there head contact? Yes
Was there foul play? Very debatable. The player certainly looked to decide to pull away from a collision. Looked very accidental to me. Did he make the right choice in trying to pull out? No. But that’s not foul play. That’s a split second decision to try and avoid danger that went the other way.
Add to that the Ireland player charged head first into contact while out of control while regathering and it was all just a rugby accident to my eyes.The problem is - "Foul Play" doesn't actually mean "foul play" anymore.
Just like "Deliberate Knock-On" doesn't actually/literally define what the offence actually is.
"just a rugby accident" - which involves contact to the head - is Foul Play. And will be penalised.
The sooner the players realise that - the less cards there will be.
The sooner the pundits realise that - the sooner we can stop hearing the infantile whines of "The game is an absolute joke."The thing is that head contact and foul play are meant to be two separate decisions not one equals the other.
Other refs would have seen that as passive as well.
I’m not sure how enforcement of the head contact rules would have stopped that. It wasn’t reckless technique it was a player making a decision that could have come of but ended up bad. He was definitely trying to avoid doing something wrong and in doing so, did. -
I felt it a soft red but was not surprised by the outcome. Of the pundits’ comments, Jamie Heaslip nailed it for me, along the lines of “it was a rugby incident, not much else Steward could have done but once it goes to the protocols it’s not going to be good”.
For me the question is not whether that was a red or not, it is whether we have the protocols right. And I don’t feel we do.
Anyway congratulations to Ireland on a deserved title, unlucky France who played some really good rugby. Big plus points for Scotland and Italy but oh God England and Wales are all over the shop. Neither can be looking at the World Cup with any degree of confidence.
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@Crucial said in 6N Ireland v England:
The thing is that head contact and foul play are meant to be two separate decisions not one equals the other.
A few years ago, sure.
Not any more.
Again: "Foul Play" no longer means "foul play".
In my opinion - the biggest problem with the Rugby Laws currently, are all the misnomers.
(In regards to the fucking confusion with fans wailing about shit. As to whether the Laws are actually in the right place... completely different conversation)
