All Blacks World Cup bolters
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@Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@ARHS said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
I think Stevenson and Roigard are already well in the mix. Some room in midfield for a 13 and for a 6 or 8. Don't think Aumua up to it though as lacks finesse skills imho. TUJ Sullivan or Poihipi maybe. Tom Robinson and MMT are both possible as is Lakai. Used to think Finau could explode into calculations too. Last bolter may be a young prop as I think Laulala Bower and Tuungafasi are not shoo ins. So Tamati Williams or Ollie Norris may get a chance as a big ball carrier. Numia may be too small.
I think a lot will depend on refereeing interpretations and law changes as to what options the coaches want to develop. If game speeds up then Roigard must be considered. If 8s get more running space off scrum then we need another bulldozer with legspeed. Maybe a 6 like Big Red can swap to 8 for some scrums? I do think a wrecking ball prop may be useful from tap penalties too.
Big search will be for a 10 with a reliably long clearing kick and accurate up and under. Unless Zarn plays 10 for blues that has to be BB RMo or DMac as only genuine contenders.
BB and Mo'unga have been kicking dreadfully for the AB's over the last few years. Id kill for a Dagg in the team.
Jordie was that guy , but we need him at 12.
I'll never get sick of reading stuff like this!
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@ARHS said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
I think Stevenson and Roigard are already well in the mix. Some room in midfield for a 13 and for a 6 or 8. Don't think Aumua up to it though as lacks finesse skills imho. TUJ Sullivan or Poihipi maybe. Tom Robinson and MMT are both possible as is Lakai. Used to think Finau could explode into calculations too. Last bolter may be a young prop as I think Laulala Bower and Tuungafasi are not shoo ins. So Tamati Williams or Ollie Norris may get a chance as a big ball carrier. Numia may be too small.
I think a lot will depend on refereeing interpretations and law changes as to what options the coaches want to develop. If game speeds up then Roigard must be considered. If 8s get more running space off scrum then we need another bulldozer with legspeed. Maybe a 6 like Big Red can swap to 8 for some scrums? I do think a wrecking ball prop may be useful from tap penalties too.
Big search will be for a 10 with a reliably long clearing kick and accurate up and under. Unless Zarn plays 10 for blues that has to be BB RMo or DMac as only genuine contenders.
On the propping side I want to seea work horse who is not afraid to get stuck in at the breakdown. The Northern teams are going to dominate up front, Williams and Norris are not grafters at the breakdown and nor is de Groot. Someone like Hodgman is more suited to the faster game and gives you some mongrel.
Another grafted is Numia from the Canes the kid is worth a look. -
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@nzzp said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
Jordie was that guy , but we need him at 12.
he should have been - but really struggld to kick well from the back. It's annoying; his kicking shows glimpses, but hasn't been consistent at Test level
true, but no one else seems to be able to bang a ball.
Zarn Sullivan but he seems to have run out of time to get a gig.
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@Bones said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@number9 said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
Hodgman
Pick up your game! It took until your third sentence to bring his name up.
Our forwards are playing the usual one dimensional bullshit. Get a grafter in there and stop pandering to the Crusader Boys. Watch the France v England massacre and the way the Irish are playing. They are winning at the breakdown with attitude and not just relying on their loosies. Treat the thread for what it is and stop being a piston wristed gibbon. Hodgman should get a recall and Numia is a definite bolter. Tamati Williams is unfit and lazy around the paddock and the usual Moli is always injured. And de Groot on his best day only lasts a half.
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@number9 well the thread is about bolters I thought, not discarded players who aren't exactly screaming out for selection.
Numia would definitely be a bolter, alas he'd be the smallest front rower in international rugby by a fair margin I imagine. You're not going to fight the giant Irish props by bringing in a midget who can throw a well timed pass.
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@Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@nzzp said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
Jordie was that guy , but we need him at 12.
he should have been - but really struggld to kick well from the back. It's annoying; his kicking shows glimpses, but hasn't been consistent at Test level
true, but no one else seems to be able to bang a ball.
Zarn Sullivan but he seems to have run out of time to get a gig.
Stevenson has a big boot. Another thing in his favour.
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@number9 Not sure how you discard Norris as a grafter and include Hodgman. The latter's best is very good, but I think he lacks consistency and accuracy. The value of Norris is his work at the breakdown - he is a turnover winner - and his handling / ball carrying. Just not sure around his scrummage power. But, I think we need a high energy prop who does a whole lot extra. Numia and Williams are restricted by their size.
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i'll throw it out there, Ainsley has looked very solid in the first couple of rounds
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@Bones said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
This guy? You mean he is too light? Only about 5-6kg off standard prop weight I would have thought.@number9 well the thread is about bolters I thought, not discarded players who aren't exactly screaming out for selection.
Numia would definitely be a bolter, alas he'd be the smallest front rower in international rugby by a fair margin I imagine. You're not going to fight the giant Irish props by bringing in a midget who can throw a well timed pass.
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@Darren said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
Stevenson 100% I'd probably pick him to start in the back 3.
Roigard to get some time, with a view to him being the long term 9
But this is the same as everyone else, so pointless post really...
Fully agree on Stevenson.
Barrett hasn’t looked like breaking the line or scoring a try in about 2 years.
The crest on the front is bigger than any “name” on the back .
We can’t afford any sentiment.
It’s “4 more years boys” after October.
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
@Steve Could we see a situation where we had two speedsters like SS and WJ on the field at the same time this year? SS with a big boot and Jordan with his electrifying pace, how they would fit in together, I am no expert.
For me it’s Stevenson or Jordan at FB with the other on the right wing in the Cory Jane, Ben Smith mould.
Sevu Reece or Telea for 11 I suppose. (I’d rather Ioane but we have no centres).
Clark grinds my gears. I’ve never seen a lad hit so many gaps and then not “take it to the house” . He gets reeled in or falls over his own feet.
The dual pivot thing ruined Mo’unga and Barrett at international level. The lack of clarity done them both a disservice. Barrett in particular has had a precipitous drop off. It ruined our ten and messed up our back 3 for the guts of 4 years.
Will Jordan still hasn’t started at 15 for fuck sake.
We finally got Jordie into the right position , we now need Fozzy to sort the back field ASAP. Having Beauden jogging around throwing silly offloads and cross field kicks inside his own 22 will do us no good long term.
I don’t even think its too difficult to solve to be honest. Ireland are kicking everyone’s arse with Mack Hansen James Lowe and Hugo Keenan as the back three. They catch their kicks, they kick well in return and and get plenty of touches each game.
I still wouldn’t take them over any of our options and I would wager if they were on these shores they wouldn’t be in the squad. Well , with Lowe we already have evidence he didn’t make it here.
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@Steve said in All Blacks World Cup bolters:
Always had high hopes for Rayasi but think it’s too late for him.
On Stevenson he looks like he is bigger these days. He was a noodle for his first few years in super.
Rayasi is related to Stevenson funnily enough.
