All Blacks v England
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Very disappointing (more on that later) but I'd just say that the performance last night shows that we most certainly do have the cattle. What is lacking is the leadership, structure and right selections (what was even the point of having Havili there). As frustrating as that is at least we can say that there have been some vast improvements.
Oh yeah, JB at 12 🖕
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@Chris said in All Blacks v England:
agree the starting 15 plus ST we look Ok.
To make the best use of the hookers, Taukei'aho should be starting. Then you can bring on the Crusaders front row in the 2nd half.
Savea isn't a natural 7 anymore, so there needs to be proper openside cover in the reserves rather than moving him. Who is wearing the 19 and 20 jerseys should change when everyone is available again (assuming Barrett stays at 6).
Hopefully when Jordan is back we see a more balanced bench in the no.22 and 23 jerseys.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v England:
At least the things we’ve learnt from the Northern Tour leading into next year is that Papali’i is better than Cane, Jordie is our 12, Will Jordan needs to start at fullback next year, and our starting front row needs to continue developing together through to the WC.
The question is whether Foster has enough balls to drop Cane and Barrett from the top 15, I guess time will tell.
Foster has not dropped a single long-time starter in his entire AB head coaching career that I can recall. That does not inspire confidence that he will start now.
I'm impressed that some here think the NH tour showed good improvements. We were within a score of losing to Japan (I know they are getting better, but we usually field a full "B" outfit against them and win by plenty). We had a decent win against a fairly hapless Welsh side, but couldn't put away Scotland. Then that collapse against England. I don't see much upwards trajectory.
Our selections are better, thanks to some lucky injuries -- let's face it, if Havili hadn't been injured he's still be starting -- and the forwards have played well in parts. But mentally we remain frail.
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So it’s pretty much confirmed that we don’t have a ten in either BB or RM that can drive us around the park, and make 65mins of forward dominance pay.
Do we start looking at DMac and Perofeta from the bench as ten subs to see if they can do it?
We stick with RM at ten then we have very little chance at winning a World Cup. And as a bonus, be a team that lose from anywhere.
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Perenaras injury did look bad, possibly hard for him to get back to WC contention if he is going to be needing surgery.
Still a lot of work to do, at 22-6 we should have put 40+ on them. Still the Irish and French have been looking a little bit more vulnerable in places recently so things may be bit more of an even playing field next year
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v England:
@Damo said in All Blacks v England:
BB's stupid drop goal did not help but it was the defence out wide that let us down.
Huh? If he missed the kick we likely would have gone for the penalty anyway.
It was a dumb play and he's done it many times before. It's a free play when on advantage, go for maximum points.
We were up by 16 at that stage, taking the dropkick meant England still had to score 3 tries to win it. Surely the better option was to take it outside the 3 try margin by scoring a try. Even if nothing eventuated from it we would have then gone back to the penalty and more importantly killed off a couple of minutes.
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@akan004 said in All Blacks v England:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v England:
@Damo said in All Blacks v England:
BB's stupid drop goal did not help but it was the defence out wide that let us down.
Huh? If he missed the kick we likely would have gone for the penalty anyway.
It was a dumb play and he's done it many times before. It's a free play when on advantage, go for maximum points.
We were up by 16 at that stage, taking the dropkick meant England still had to score 3 tries to win it. Surely the better option was to take it outside the 3 try margin by scoring a try. Even if nothing eventuated from it we would have then gone back to the penalty and more importantly killed off a couple of minutes.
Surely not. Take the 3 points. Then you are just seeking 3 more points to make the game safe.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v England:
For all the improvements we have made, our defence is still pretty shit, leaking 22 points in the 2nd half is a shocker!
A recent record?
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@ARHS said in All Blacks v England:
@akan004 said in All Blacks v England:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v England:
@Damo said in All Blacks v England:
BB's stupid drop goal did not help but it was the defence out wide that let us down.
Huh? If he missed the kick we likely would have gone for the penalty anyway.
It was a dumb play and he's done it many times before. It's a free play when on advantage, go for maximum points.
We were up by 16 at that stage, taking the dropkick meant England still had to score 3 tries to win it. Surely the better option was to take it outside the 3 try margin by scoring a try. Even if nothing eventuated from it we would have then gone back to the penalty and more importantly killed off a couple of minutes.
Surely not. Take the 3 points. Then you are just seeking 3 more points to make the game safe.
It's a free play though. What do you have to lose by attempting to score a try? If you don't score you still get the penalty and then can go for the 3, and you would have killed a few minutes in doing so.
Whitelock may have even decided to go to the corner, BB took that option away from him by going for the drop kick. Poor game management imo.
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@akan004 said in All Blacks v England:
@ARHS said in All Blacks v England:
@akan004 said in All Blacks v England:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v England:
@Damo said in All Blacks v England:
BB's stupid drop goal did not help but it was the defence out wide that let us down.
Huh? If he missed the kick we likely would have gone for the penalty anyway.
It was a dumb play and he's done it many times before. It's a free play when on advantage, go for maximum points.
We were up by 16 at that stage, taking the dropkick meant England still had to score 3 tries to win it. Surely the better option was to take it outside the 3 try margin by scoring a try. Even if nothing eventuated from it we would have then gone back to the penalty and more importantly killed off a couple of minutes.
Surely not. Take the 3 points. Then you are just seeking 3 more points to make the game safe.
It's a free play though. What do you have to lose by attempting to score a try? If you don't score you still get the penalty and then can go for the 3, and you would have killed a few minutes in doing so.
Whitelock may have even decided to go to the corner, BB took that option away from him by going for the drop kick. Poor game management imo.
I agree in hindsight. But it did add scoreboard pressure. We had plenty of points in the bank, we did plenty of stuff wrong after that to let them back in
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v England:
What a loser
who?
Smith for so meekly accepting a draw.
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v England:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v England:
What a loser
who?
Smith for so meekly accepting a draw.
Ok
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v England:
Why for the love of god would you attempt a dinky little kick in behind the English defence, just outside our 22, when we've only got three fucking defenders covering more than half the pitch?
Apparently Ardie called TJ to kick it there , and then stuffed up the chase , got himself in front and had to back off
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Well a good game. That was overshadowed by a draw and a GOD AWFUL FUCKUNG fluffybunny of a ref
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v England:
Very disappointing (more on that later) but I'd just say that the performance last night shows that we most certainly do have the cattle. What is lacking is the leadership, structure and right selections (what was even the point of having Havili there). As frustrating as that is at least we can say that there have been some vast improvements.
Oh yeah, JB at 12 🖕
Are you saying jordie is shit or good at 12?
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@Mackerzzzz said in All Blacks v England:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v England:
Very disappointing (more on that later) but I'd just say that the performance last night shows that we most certainly do have the cattle. What is lacking is the leadership, structure and right selections (what was even the point of having Havili there). As frustrating as that is at least we can say that there have been some vast improvements.
Oh yeah, JB at 12 🖕
Are you saying jordie is shit or good at 12?
You're new here aren't you?
