All Blacks vs Wales
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@chimoaus I'm not sure how it's legal. Players definitely change their line. AB players are blocked. It it was on a grubber you would get a different interpretation.
I suspect as it takes forever for the 9 to setup the box kick 4 defenders simply create a line and then jog slowly together towards their winger without changing their line effectively creating a screen. I have to say it was very effective and probably the best I have seen so far in negating the box kick battle.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Despite the high number of points scored, it was far from a fast flowing game. How many times did B. Barrett, Reece, R. Ioane and Clarke got the ball in attacking situations ? The AB management had decided to win it with the forwards, which they did comfortably.
It was a game for the fatties for sure, the sweet hold and pass from BB to JB was nice but yes that was one of the best forward displays for awhile. Bloody Reece had just One run the entire game for no metres and CC not much better with 4 runs for 12m. They clearly did not want to go much wider than JB.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@Victor-Meldrew Cotter excellent as ever. I thought Warburton and Gatland were good co-commentators too.
Knowledgeable, adds colour while sticking to what's happening on the screen, gets the excitement over without being emotional. The Dan Carter of commentators for me.
I was a bit surprised by him in the first 20 or so last night as he was coming across as a Welsh fan and seemed very negative on the ABs. He came right though.
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@chimoaus I'm not sure how it's legal. Players definitely change their line. AB players are blocked. It it was on a grubber you would get a different interpretation.
I suspect as it takes forever for the 9 to setup the box kick 4 defenders simply create a line and then jog slowly together towards their winger without changing their line effectively creating a screen. I have to say it was very effective and probably the best I have seen so far in negating the box kick battle.
No. From memory they have to hold the defensive line then sort of turn and converge on the approximate point of catch
In thr NRL that's an escort all day. Rugby rules are similar
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But conditions and outcomes changed the thinking. Despite the roof being closed in Cardiff, the heavy rain and relatively warm temperature created a degree of humidity inside the stadium and conditions were heavier and wetter than they may have appeared.slippery,” says Aaron Smith. “It was dewy and it was warm. Everyone was dripping wet after about five minutes. There were a few dropped balls early on so everyone had to adjust.
“We shortened up our passes and our forwards tightened up. At times we were really dominant, getting round the corner to win the collision area, deliver good cleanouts and we were breaking into the 22 a lot.”
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
We have a devastating runner in Clarke, and his only touches were loopy cut-outs with zero space
I thought he got heaps of ball on the inside channels?
The post above yours says he had 4 runs, and I distinctly remember 2 of the loopy passes I mentioned that put him in zero space.
Not defending him, he was pretty average, but equally it wasn't a game for the wingers
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Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 in a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
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@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 I'm a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
I think JB can do it, he has shown he has an eye for a pass. But we played it tight apparently by design, hence the lack of opportunities for the wide players. If this is part of the evolution to combat the northern teams, I'm okay with it for now. We all know we can run it when we want, it's the losing the ball in the process that I don't like
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 I'm a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
I think JB can do it, he has shown he has an eye for a pass. But we played it tight apparently by design, hence the lack of opportunities for the wide players. If this is part of the evolution to combat the northern teams, I'm okay with it for now. We all know we can run it when we want, it's the losing the ball in the process that I don't like
Has he shown an "eye for a pass"?
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@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 I'm a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
I think JB can do it, he has shown he has an eye for a pass. But we played it tight apparently by design, hence the lack of opportunities for the wide players. If this is part of the evolution to combat the northern teams, I'm okay with it for now. We all know we can run it when we want, it's the losing the ball in the process that I don't like
Has he shown an "eye for a pass"?
Yup.
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Loosies, Paps and Belly Flop are a huge problem for the opposition. Still need to think a bit more about 6.
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 I'm a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
I think JB can do it, he has shown he has an eye for a pass. But we played it tight apparently by design, hence the lack of opportunities for the wide players. If this is part of the evolution to combat the northern teams, I'm okay with it for now. We all know we can run it when we want, it's the losing the ball in the process that I don't like
Listening to the after match Fozzie mentioned the plan was not tight but the players on the pitch made the call due to conditions I guess. I am happy if Whitelock is making changes on the fly based on what is going on. You need a skipper that can read the game and change tactics quickly if things arent working.
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs Wales:
“We shortened up our passes and our forwards tightened up. At times we were really dominant, getting round the corner to win the collision area, deliver good cleanouts and we were breaking into the 22 a lot.”
Except Azza when you threw that long worm burner pass that gave Frizell no chance to catch it 😉
Definitely saw a better clean out game. After watching a bit more of it today, our locks really hit the ruck hard. And even Vaa’i when he came on continued it.
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 I'm a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
I think JB can do it, he has shown he has an eye for a pass. But we played it tight apparently by design, hence the lack of opportunities for the wide players. If this is part of the evolution to combat the northern teams, I'm okay with it for now. We all know we can run it when we want, it's the losing the ball in the process that I don't like
Has he shown an "eye for a pass"?
Yup.
Oh well good then.
Hopefully he can attach the physical action of actually throwing one too at some point, be good to see them work on it a bit, see if the outsides can keep up with Jordies eye
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 I'm a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
I think JB can do it, he has shown he has an eye for a pass. But we played it tight apparently by design, hence the lack of opportunities for the wide players. If this is part of the evolution to combat the northern teams, I'm okay with it for now. We all know we can run it when we want, it's the losing the ball in the process that I don't like
Listening to the after match Fozzie mentioned the plan was not tight but the players on the pitch made the call due to conditions I guess. I am happy if Whitelock is making changes on the fly based on what is going on. You need a skipper that can read the game and change tactics quickly if things arent working.
If that is true, Whitelock just grew in stature with me. On field adjustments? Holy cow
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 I'm a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
I think JB can do it, he has shown he has an eye for a pass. But we played it tight apparently by design, hence the lack of opportunities for the wide players. If this is part of the evolution to combat the northern teams, I'm okay with it for now. We all know we can run it when we want, it's the losing the ball in the process that I don't like
Listening to the after match Fozzie mentioned the plan was not tight but the players on the pitch made the call due to conditions I guess. I am happy if Whitelock is making changes on the fly based on what is going on. You need a skipper that can read the game and change tactics quickly if things arent working.
Savea said the same I think
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 I'm a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
I think JB can do it, he has shown he has an eye for a pass. But we played it tight apparently by design, hence the lack of opportunities for the wide players. If this is part of the evolution to combat the northern teams, I'm okay with it for now. We all know we can run it when we want, it's the losing the ball in the process that I don't like
Listening to the after match Fozzie mentioned the plan was not tight but the players on the pitch made the call due to conditions I guess. I am happy if Whitelock is making changes on the fly based on what is going on. You need a skipper that can read the game and change tactics quickly if things arent working.
So Fozzie's plan was helter skelter run about like blue assed flies?
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@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 I'm a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.100%. Sure, he'll need time to develop, but I'm just happy Jordie isn't a disaster, nor flaky at 12 and can play two games in a row without buggering anything up.
That is a huge improvement.
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wales:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wales:
Funny (ish) that Jordie had 13 runs, but Clarke and Reece and Rieko had 10 between them.
For all those on the JB wagon (I'm there, settle down), he's sure as fuck not the messiah at 12.
In most years past, we would be bagging a player like him for being a "crash ball merchant", having no distribution or vision...
It's symptomatic of the poor quality of our other options that he's getting so much love at the moment.
Again, I'm an advocate I'd definitely pick him at 12 I'm a RWC Final tomorrow. But he has massive work ons.
Of big concern, is that we really don't have anyone in our current A backing capable, or at least intent on, putting someone else into space
Jordie per above. Rieko is certainly a run-first centre. Clarke trips over his own feet when confronted by a tackler. Reece is a dancer, keeps his head down.
Beaudy I guess is the only one?
I think JB can do it, he has shown he has an eye for a pass. But we played it tight apparently by design, hence the lack of opportunities for the wide players. If this is part of the evolution to combat the northern teams, I'm okay with it for now. We all know we can run it when we want, it's the losing the ball in the process that I don't like
Listening to the after match Fozzie mentioned the plan was not tight but the players on the pitch made the call due to conditions I guess. I am happy if Whitelock is making changes on the fly based on what is going on. You need a skipper that can read the game and change tactics quickly if things arent working.
So Fozzie's plan was helter skelter run about like blue assed flies?
I suspect a bit more width but the conditions did not appear to be suitable so likely went for wet weather rugby under the roof
