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  • voodooV Offline
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    replied to Machpants on last edited by
    #3513

    @Machpants said in Foster:

    @voodoo said in Foster:

    @Machpants said in Foster:

    @voodoo said in Foster:

    Joseph and Brown we told to not bother applying. We never sought Rennie in time. Schmidt was out.

    Um what? Brown said he turned down both Foster and Razor, Joseph decided on Japan (early same as Rennie). 26 candidates were invited

    Brown wanted to work with Joseph, didn't say he wanted more money.

    Joseph and Rennnie both had no shot and they knew it. Timing and process, nothing to do with coin

    So they were asked to apply but didn't. That's the opposite of "Joseph and Brown we told to not bother applying"

    The process gave them no shot and they knew it. NZR had every chance to do it differently but didnt.

    Anyway, it's not the point. The point is that we haven't lost anyone to money when we wanted them back

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    replied to voodoo on last edited by Machpants
    #3514

    @voodoo said in Foster:

    @Machpants said in Foster:

    @voodoo said in Foster:

    @Machpants said in Foster:

    @voodoo said in Foster:

    Joseph and Brown we told to not bother applying. We never sought Rennie in time. Schmidt was out.

    Um what? Brown said he turned down both Foster and Razor, Joseph decided on Japan (early same as Rennie). 26 candidates were invited

    Brown wanted to work with Joseph, didn't say he wanted more money.

    Joseph and Rennnie both had no shot and they knew it. Timing and process, nothing to do with coin

    So they were asked to apply but didn't. That's the opposite of "Joseph and Brown we told to not bother applying"

    The process gave them no shot and they knew it. NZR had every chance to do it differently but didnt.

    Anyway, it's not the point. The point is that we haven't lost anyone to money when we wanted them back

    The point is they were not told not to apply. They decided not to, as NZR are useless fluffybunnies and they thought it was obvious the result would go, but that's very different from being told not to apply directly.

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    @DaGrubster said in Foster:

    @Victor-Meldrew

    On the Razor front, I’m not surprised that he didn’t want to do an assistant role.

    Just as some people are suited to assistant coach roles and not head coach , the same is true for some people suited to head coach roles and not assistant coach.

    Razor is a head coach through and through and regarded as one of the best in the world at the moment. He doesn’t have the specialist focus/knowledge that someone like a Jason Ryan brings to the forward coaching role.

    If the rumour (that seems to be accepted as truth) that he was offered the AB head coach role last month, only to be rescinded, then I can’t imagine he would then accept an assistant role.

    Personally, I think that he is a generational talent that will eventually be regarded as one of the great coaches, so we should secure him at all costs.

    The reality of the situation is that we will probably lose him to a NH nation such as England and like so many NZ coaches before, cannot afford to lure him back due to $’s, timing and probably a complete lack of feeling wanted.

    There is also the perception that he is not the type of persona the NZR want for their flagship brand.

    I just cannot fathom how NZR would consider that a guy like Fozzie has the personality to lead one of the world's leading sports brands.

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    replied to junior on last edited by
    #3516

    @junior said in Foster:

    @DaGrubster said in Foster:

    @Victor-Meldrew

    On the Razor front, I’m not surprised that he didn’t want to do an assistant role.

    Just as some people are suited to assistant coach roles and not head coach , the same is true for some people suited to head coach roles and not assistant coach.

    Razor is a head coach through and through and regarded as one of the best in the world at the moment. He doesn’t have the specialist focus/knowledge that someone like a Jason Ryan brings to the forward coaching role.

    If the rumour (that seems to be accepted as truth) that he was offered the AB head coach role last month, only to be rescinded, then I can’t imagine he would then accept an assistant role.

    Personally, I think that he is a generational talent that will eventually be regarded as one of the great coaches, so we should secure him at all costs.

    The reality of the situation is that we will probably lose him to a NH nation such as England and like so many NZ coaches before, cannot afford to lure him back due to $’s, timing and probably a complete lack of feeling wanted.

    There is also the perception that he is not the type of persona the NZR want for their flagship brand.

    I just cannot fathom how NZR would consider that a guy like Fozzie has the personality to lead one of the world's leading sports brands.

    Cos they are a similar type of boring as blancmange corporate types - people like those who are like them

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    replied to Machpants on last edited by
    #3517

    @Machpants said in Foster:

    @junior said in Foster:

    @DaGrubster said in Foster:

    @Victor-Meldrew

    On the Razor front, I’m not surprised that he didn’t want to do an assistant role.

    Just as some people are suited to assistant coach roles and not head coach , the same is true for some people suited to head coach roles and not assistant coach.

    Razor is a head coach through and through and regarded as one of the best in the world at the moment. He doesn’t have the specialist focus/knowledge that someone like a Jason Ryan brings to the forward coaching role.

    If the rumour (that seems to be accepted as truth) that he was offered the AB head coach role last month, only to be rescinded, then I can’t imagine he would then accept an assistant role.

    Personally, I think that he is a generational talent that will eventually be regarded as one of the great coaches, so we should secure him at all costs.

    The reality of the situation is that we will probably lose him to a NH nation such as England and like so many NZ coaches before, cannot afford to lure him back due to $’s, timing and probably a complete lack of feeling wanted.

    There is also the perception that he is not the type of persona the NZR want for their flagship brand.

    I just cannot fathom how NZR would consider that a guy like Fozzie has the personality to lead one of the world's leading sports brands.

    Cos they are a similar type of boring as blancmange corporate types - people like those who are like them

    Now I finally understand why I like intelligent and good looking people.

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    replied to voodoo on last edited by
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    @voodoo said in Foster:

    Anyway, it's not the point. The point is that we haven't lost anyone to money when we wanted them back

    Huh - I thought the question was people we'd like back but we cuodln't afford. I'd love all those people on the list to be coaching in NZ, but we can't afford to pay them international rates. And they probably wouldn't come anyway.

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    @nzzp said in Foster:

    @voodoo said in Foster:

    Anyway, it's not the point. The point is that we haven't lost anyone to money when we wanted them back

    Huh - I thought the question was people we'd like back but we cuodln't afford. I'd love all those people on the list to be coaching in NZ, but we can't afford to pay them international rates. And they probably wouldn't come anyway.

    Maybe i misread, but I read it as people we would like to have back coaching the Ab's but we failed to get because we couldn't afford them. And that's none of those as far as I can see.

    As to whether we would want them all back coaching in Nz, I'd challenge that too. Do you think Scmidt learned more coaching Ireland than he would have staying coaching Bay of Plenty or the Chiefs?

    I dont necessarily buy into the "must have international experience before coaching the AB's" mantra, but I certainly don't see the harm in having a cohort coach offshore. The chance to coach in that environment, withbthat budget those quality players, to build a team around you, learn the media experience etc. Amd it also gives other younger coaches the chance to come through at NPC/Super level as assistants and HCs.

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    #3520

    @Machpants Tamati Ellison did a pretty good job at the Crusaders this year.

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    #3521

    @SBW1 said in Foster:

    @Machpants Tamati Ellison did a pretty good job at the Crusaders this year.

    Can't poach all of Razor's assistants!

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    #3522

    Foster just can't let go of any players or old strategies, can he? Friggen stubborn ole fella!

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  • nostrildamusN Offline
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    replied to Crucial on last edited by
    #3523

    @Crucial said in Foster:

    @Machpants said in Foster:

    @junior said in Foster:

    @DaGrubster said in Foster:

    @Victor-Meldrew

    On the Razor front, I’m not surprised that he didn’t want to do an assistant role.

    Just as some people are suited to assistant coach roles and not head coach , the same is true for some people suited to head coach roles and not assistant coach.

    Razor is a head coach through and through and regarded as one of the best in the world at the moment. He doesn’t have the specialist focus/knowledge that someone like a Jason Ryan brings to the forward coaching role.

    If the rumour (that seems to be accepted as truth) that he was offered the AB head coach role last month, only to be rescinded, then I can’t imagine he would then accept an assistant role.

    Personally, I think that he is a generational talent that will eventually be regarded as one of the great coaches, so we should secure him at all costs.

    The reality of the situation is that we will probably lose him to a NH nation such as England and like so many NZ coaches before, cannot afford to lure him back due to $’s, timing and probably a complete lack of feeling wanted.

    There is also the perception that he is not the type of persona the NZR want for their flagship brand.

    I just cannot fathom how NZR would consider that a guy like Fozzie has the personality to lead one of the world's leading sports brands.

    Cos they are a similar type of boring as blancmange corporate types - people like those who are like them

    Now I finally understand why I like intelligent and good looking people.

    Explains why you post here regularly...

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  • CrucialC Offline
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    replied to nostrildamus on last edited by
    #3524

    @nostrildamus said in Foster:

    @Crucial said in Foster:

    @Machpants said in Foster:

    @junior said in Foster:

    @DaGrubster said in Foster:

    @Victor-Meldrew

    On the Razor front, I’m not surprised that he didn’t want to do an assistant role.

    Just as some people are suited to assistant coach roles and not head coach , the same is true for some people suited to head coach roles and not assistant coach.

    Razor is a head coach through and through and regarded as one of the best in the world at the moment. He doesn’t have the specialist focus/knowledge that someone like a Jason Ryan brings to the forward coaching role.

    If the rumour (that seems to be accepted as truth) that he was offered the AB head coach role last month, only to be rescinded, then I can’t imagine he would then accept an assistant role.

    Personally, I think that he is a generational talent that will eventually be regarded as one of the great coaches, so we should secure him at all costs.

    The reality of the situation is that we will probably lose him to a NH nation such as England and like so many NZ coaches before, cannot afford to lure him back due to $’s, timing and probably a complete lack of feeling wanted.

    There is also the perception that he is not the type of persona the NZR want for their flagship brand.

    I just cannot fathom how NZR would consider that a guy like Fozzie has the personality to lead one of the world's leading sports brands.

    Cos they are a similar type of boring as blancmange corporate types - people like those who are like them

    Now I finally understand why I like intelligent and good looking people.

    Explains why you post here regularly...

    No. I come here to sneer at you lot, not to admire.

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    wrote on last edited by number9
    #3525

    I have read comments in this thread along the lines of it is a tough job, I would not want the job, we shouldn't expect to win all the time. What a bunch of softcocks!!! This is the All Blacks, we have the best winning percentage of any team in the history of professional sports. I have given up on bagging the moron, because the NZR continue to select him. But these bullshit posts are fucken cringeworthy.
    And this other shit about affording $$$$ Coaches. If the NZR had given the best coach in the world the job we wouldn't be having this issue. I am hoping we beat all international teams but I don't have the confidence in the ABs I once had.
    We got out.of jail last week not because of AB brilliance but Foley is a fuckwit and the right call was made.

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    @number9 said in Foster:

    If the NZR had given the best coach in the world the job we wouldn't be having this issue.

    Who might that be?

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    #3527

    When the hell did they pass up Galthie? Or do you mean Nienaber or Eddie Jones?

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    @Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:

    @number9 said in Foster:

    If the NZR had given the best coach in the world the job we wouldn't be having this issue.

    Who might that be?

    Do you people not read my rugby insights?

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    @mariner4life said in Foster:

    @Nepia said in Foster:

    @nzzp said in Foster:

    @voodoo said in Foster:

    @DaGrubster just to challenge one point, how many coaches have we lost offshore and wanted back but not been able to afford them?

    Rennie
    Joseph
    Brown
    Cotter
    Schmidt

    I'd take any of them, but they wouldn't take a pay cut to come back. Folk aren't coming back to coach in NZ for money.

    Huh? I think all of them would take a pay cut to coach the ABs without a second thought (aside from Brown who doesn't appear to want a head coach role and Schmidt who is already back and doesn't want the role for family reasons, apparently).

    why the fuck would anyone want the job for any money? Being the AB coach is the shittest coaching gig on the planet

    You are expected to win every game. You are expected to win every game by a decent margin. You are expected to win every game by a decent margin while playing free flowing football, while at the same time nailing the basics and being pragmatic.

    There are never more than a couple of teams you are allowed to lose to without vociferous calls for your head. None of those losses are ever allowed in NZ

    And if you win? everyone shrugs and says "of course you did, you are the ABs"

    Fuck that

    Because some people have drive, ambition, desire to be the best to prove to the world they are the best and take on the biggest challenge they can?

    Weirdos.

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    replied to Victor Meldrew on last edited by
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    @Victor-Meldrew Razor, obviously. His record speaks for itself.

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    #3531

    The Crusaders would get torn a new one by Ireland, South Africa and Argentina.

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  • mariner4lifeM Online
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    replied to MajorRage on last edited by
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    @MajorRage said in Foster:

    @mariner4life said in Foster:

    @Nepia said in Foster:

    @nzzp said in Foster:

    @voodoo said in Foster:

    @DaGrubster just to challenge one point, how many coaches have we lost offshore and wanted back but not been able to afford them?

    Rennie
    Joseph
    Brown
    Cotter
    Schmidt

    I'd take any of them, but they wouldn't take a pay cut to come back. Folk aren't coming back to coach in NZ for money.

    Huh? I think all of them would take a pay cut to coach the ABs without a second thought (aside from Brown who doesn't appear to want a head coach role and Schmidt who is already back and doesn't want the role for family reasons, apparently).

    why the fuck would anyone want the job for any money? Being the AB coach is the shittest coaching gig on the planet

    You are expected to win every game. You are expected to win every game by a decent margin. You are expected to win every game by a decent margin while playing free flowing football, while at the same time nailing the basics and being pragmatic.

    There are never more than a couple of teams you are allowed to lose to without vociferous calls for your head. None of those losses are ever allowed in NZ

    And if you win? everyone shrugs and says "of course you did, you are the ABs"

    Fuck that

    Because some people have drive, ambition, desire to be the best to prove to the world they are the best and take on the biggest challenge they can?

    Weirdos.

    Way to make it serious

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