Foster, Robertson etc
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@Machpants IMO, it isnt really a fear of losing, more the desire to win that seperates those at the top...might seem semantics but I think it is quite a different shift in mindset.
You see it in plenty of sports where teams or individuals start well, but end up trying not to lose the game, rather than keep pressing on to win.
But I do think right now, you get the sense these guys are trying not to lose games rather than trying to win them.
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@taniwharugby said in Foster:
@Machpants IMO, it isnt really a fear of losing, more the desire to win that seperates those at the top...might seem semantics but I think it is quite a different shift in mindset.
You see it in plenty of sports where teams or individuals start well, but end up trying not to lose the game, rather than keep pressing on to win.
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But I do think right now, you get the sense these guys are trying not to lose games rather than trying to win them.Maybe, but the fear of losing and tarnishing legacy is gone. I think there is no real care for that, the players just don't know about it. After the 2013 come back all the player's then talked about the loss of the unblemished record versus Irealnd. Now they're like 'oh we've never lost to Ireland/Puma/Scotland before?'
The bolded bit makes me LOL cos that's SMith's accusation against the Puma
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@Machpants said in Foster:
@taniwharugby said in Foster:
@Machpants IMO, it isnt really a fear of losing, more the desire to win that seperates those at the top...might seem semantics but I think it is quite a different shift in mindset.
You see it in plenty of sports where teams or individuals start well, but end up trying not to lose the game, rather than keep pressing on to win.
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But I do think right now, you get the sense these guys are trying not to lose games rather than trying to win them.Maybe, but the fear of losing and tarnishing legacy is gone. I think there is no real care for that, the players just don't know about it. After the 2013 come back all the player's then talked about the loss of the unblemished record versus Irealnd. Now they're like 'oh we've never lost to Ireland/Puma/Scotland before?'
The bolded bit makes me LOL cos that's SMith's accusation against the Puma
Oh, I thought it was the All Blacks bestest player and captain in waiting when informed about losing to Ireland in New Zealand.
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@antipodean said in Foster:
@Machpants said in Foster:
@taniwharugby said in Foster:
@Machpants IMO, it isnt really a fear of losing, more the desire to win that seperates those at the top...might seem semantics but I think it is quite a different shift in mindset.
You see it in plenty of sports where teams or individuals start well, but end up trying not to lose the game, rather than keep pressing on to win.
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But I do think right now, you get the sense these guys are trying not to lose games rather than trying to win them.Maybe, but the fear of losing and tarnishing legacy is gone. I think there is no real care for that, the players just don't know about it. After the 2013 come back all the player's then talked about the loss of the unblemished record versus Irealnd. Now they're like 'oh we've never lost to Ireland/Puma/Scotland before?'
The bolded bit makes me LOL cos that's SMith's accusation against the Puma
Oh, I thought it was the All Blacks bestest player and captain in waiting when informed about losing to Ireland in New Zealand.
Totally was the ABs best layer, but he certainly has a bit to learn around the history of the jersey. But that's a team thing, that I think went backwards after Richie.
A bit like letting the forwards wear colured boots
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@Machpants said in Foster:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@Machpants said in Foster:
He's such a nice guy, don't fear losing, or your position on the team, I guess
'If you play under fear then you restrict your options'
Ian Foster has suggested that although the All Blacks selectors have made no changes to the starting XV from the side that suffered a historic defeat to Argentina last weekend, that doesn't mean there's no accountability.
Did you link to the right article?
In the one you posted, the "fear" Foster is talking about fear of losing/things going wrong during the game and how it's cramping the team's on-field play. Actually made sense to me.
Yeah fear of losing is what has made the ABs have such high standards over many years, McCaw, Fitzpatrick, etc all talked about the fear of losing is what pushed their excellence. Now it's too scarey so they lose?
I hate how the fear of failure is now seen as something that can only impact a person negatively - this does not need to be the case. Guys like Fitzy have talked about the fear of failure being a massive motivating factor, the kind of thing that can push you to do extra on and off the pitch in order to win.
It absolutely does my nut in to hear professional athletes playing in one of the most successful teams in history talking about the fear of failure as if it can only be something that inhibits them. Again, this does not need to be the case.
I am sure everyone here has at some time or another their life been motivated to work harder or smarter at something by the fear of failing at it. Personally, not ending up a failed loser in life has been a massive motivating factor in pushing myself in my studies, work, and even on the golf course!
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@taniwharugby said in Foster:
@Machpants IMO, it isnt really a fear of losing, more the desire to win that seperates those at the top...might seem semantics but I think it is quite a different shift in mindset.
You see it in plenty of sports where teams or individuals start well, but end up trying not to lose the game, rather than keep pressing on to win.
But I do think right now, you get the sense these guys are trying not to lose games rather than trying to win them.
I think it is less that than how each individual and team responds to that fear - are you going to respond to the fear of losing by not even trying? Or are you going to respond to that fear by doing everything in your power to win?
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@Machpants said in Foster:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@Machpants said in Foster:
He's such a nice guy, don't fear losing, or your position on the team, I guess
'If you play under fear then you restrict your options'
Ian Foster has suggested that although the All Blacks selectors have made no changes to the starting XV from the side that suffered a historic defeat to Argentina last weekend, that doesn't mean there's no accountability.
Did you link to the right article?
In the one you posted, the "fear" Foster is talking about fear of losing/things going wrong during the game and how it's cramping the team's on-field play. Actually made sense to me.
Yeah fear of losing is what has made the ABs have such high standards over many years, McCaw, Fitzpatrick, etc all talked about the fear of losing is what pushed their excellence. Now it's too scarey so they lose?
I hate how the fear of failure is now seen as something that can only impact a person negatively - this does not need to be the case.
Guys like Fitzy have talked about the fear of failure being a massive motivating factor, the kind of thing that can push you to do extra on and off the pitch in order to win.True and a good point. But fear of failure combined with a loss of confidence (team or individual) is hugely corrosive as it can become self-fulfilling. Fitzy and co. led teams which had confidence in their ability to win from bad situations - this team hasn't.
It absolutely does my nut in to hear professional athletes playing in one of the most successful teams in history talking about the fear of failure as if it can only be something that inhibits them. Again, this does not need to be the case.
Sadly, in this case I think it is. When you've lost Test after Test and can't bounce back much, you try new things and they don't work out, criticism is coming in from all sides and you keep being told you've soiled the legacy, that makes using the risk of failure as a motivation is pretty damn hard.
I am sure everyone here has at some time or another their life been motivated to work harder or smarter at something by the fear of failing at it. Personally, not ending up a failed loser in life has been a massive motivating factor in pushing myself in my studies, work, and even on the golf course!
Team dynamics are really weird though as the things you mention are controlled collectively and not individually. It can take a little spark to turn things around, or a small error can cause a collective brain-fart.
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Steve Braunias: The secret diary of Ian Foster
All Blacks coach is doing it his way in today's test - all over again.
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@Machpants said in Foster:
Steve Braunias: The secret diary of Ian Foster
All Blacks coach is doing it his way in today's test - all over again.
Care to share the joke?
Paywalled link.
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@Crucial ah sorry
OPINION
MONDAY
Well you know obviously the boys are hurting. The boys are hurting, and when the boys are hurting, that sort of adds up to a lot of hurt. A lot of hurt, I think it's fair to say, is what the boys are feeling. I said to them, "Boys," I said, "you're in a world of pain. You're in a very, very dark place, and there doesn't seem like there's a light at the end of the tunnel. It feels like there's no tomorrow. It feels like there's no point in getting up in the morning. One or two of you may be thinking, 'What's the point of existence?' And others may be experiencing a sort of totally full-on existential crisis."I said those exact words to them in my pre-match pep talk before the Argentina game so imagine how they're feeling now.
TUESDAY
Jacinda Ardern called and said that if I wanted to change the starting XV for the next test on Saturday that she would back me up, adding that I should never be afraid to do a U-turn, that she did it all the time and that it always worked wonders with the public.
I thanked her for the advice but told her that listening to the public was a sign of weakness, and losing on my own terms was a sign of strength.WEDNESDAY
Okay, so I guess the message is we have been pretty ruthless and hard on ourselves behind the scenes. Ruthless, and hard on ourselves, and very, very critical. I said to the boys, "Boys," I said, "you're actually pretty useless, some of you, aren't you? I don't know how you can look at yourself in the mirror. Dear oh dear. What a shower. Just not good enough, really. At the end of the day, nowhere near good enough. The blame lies fairly and squarely at your feet."One of the boys had a go at me but I don't stand for criticism. It's out of line.
THURSDAY
Christopher Luxon called and said he wouldn't rule out working with me in a National-led government.I thanked him for his call but told him that my job was a lot safer than his.
FRIDAY
For those who want blood, I guess we haven't given it, have we? But if you play under fear, you restrict your options, you restrict your thinking. And what actually happens is that you just don't get the game going, the way you want to do it.But we actually believe in some things that we're working on now.
It's hard work when the team is not sort of at 100 per cent every week. But I have been there when it is, and I know how much experience you need to get to that point and how much hard work and how sort of settled the team needs to be.
And we think the best way to build the confidence in those key pressure moments is to put the guys out there that have just been through it, have felt it. And now we've talked about some different solutions. So we're backing that by fielding the same starting XV as last Saturday.
Einstein said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results. But Einstein didn't play rugby and if there's one thing the public has come to know about me in my reign as All Blacks coach, I'm no Einstein.
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@Machpants what an utter crap article.
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I thought it was funny.
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@KiwiMurph said in Foster:
Premium article but cripes.
It's all been said before but this is astounding if true. Retaining an unsuccessful coach based on one win is as stupid as sacking a successful coach based on one loss. Not to mention the alleged fucking Robertson around.
