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@nostrildamus said in All Black backline:
@Yeahtheboys said in All Black backline:
@Crucial I don’t think RTS is a 12 and I don’t think the all blacks think that either. If you watched his debut he went on at 13.
He'd be a very small 13 at international level.
Compared to....who?
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@Bones said in All Black backline:
@nostrildamus said in All Black backline:
@Yeahtheboys said in All Black backline:
@Crucial I don’t think RTS is a 12 and I don’t think the all blacks think that either. If you watched his debut he went on at 13.
He'd be a very small 13 at international level.
Compared to....who?
I read RTS was 1.82m 99kg
Smaller than
ALB, Goodhue, Rieko, Ennor (RTS may be heavier), PUJ
Ireland: Ringrose (maybe same weight but RTS shorter), McCloskey
The French team may have smaller outside centres but I have not seen them play recently, Vakatawa is big, Vili is taller.
Australia: Petaia (maybe the same weight but RTS shorter), Foketi
England: Dingwall taller, maybe lighter, Marchant about same size
Wales: Watkin is bigger (not sure 2nd centre?)
SA: de Allende, Am (taller but RTS may be heavier), Porter, Tuilagi (enough said)
Argentina: Cinti (RTS may be heavier), Mensa same height, Moroni (taller, lighter), OrlandoIt's not a showstopper but he is shorter and usually lighter than the great majority of top teams' players (apart from Argentina) at 13 than I have seen recently.. and with Havili at 12 we don't have a big midfield..
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@nostrildamus yeah so very small is overstating it a tad.
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@Bones said in All Black backline:
@nostrildamus yeah so very small is overstating it a tad.
fair enough.
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@Machpants but we have a fat controller!! oh wait, just the former, not so much the latter.
I feel a bit ashamed about that comment but I couldn't help myself!
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@Paekakboyz said in All Black backline:
@Machpants but we have a fat controller!! oh wait, just the former, not so much the latter.
I feel a bit ashamed about that comment but I couldn't help myself!
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@Paekakboyz great Ferning
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@Paekakboyz said in All Black backline:
@Machpants but we have a fat controller!! oh wait, just the former, not so much the latter.
I feel a bit ashamed about that comment but I couldn't help myself!
To be more politically correct, the controller who isn't Peregrine Percival.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Black backline:
@BartMan said in All Black backline:
Never before have I seen an AB backline so lacking in ideas on attack. Not just this test, but the last 18 months. Havilli is not the answer at 12, Ioane at 13, maybe. But who to come in. We've had nothing world class since Nonu and Smith.
ALB and Goodhue would fix things overnight if you could get both of them on the pitch at the same time
As someone who played in the centres and on the wing most of my playing career, I'm going to disagree here. ALB yes, Goodhue, no.
In my opinion, I think Goodhue was part of the problem before he got injured as he just doesn't have the pace needed and frankly I don't think he distrubutes well and he makes few metres with the ball in hand. Yes, he is a good but not great 13 but a poor 12.
Havili is even worse at 12 and is not the answer to any question with respect to the ABs, 12 or otherwise.
I find it absolutely mind numbingly bonkers that for the past couple/few games, Foster takes off Ioane and leaves on Havili and we end up with QT and Havili in the centres.
It just leaves me going WTF and wanting to throw things at the TV.QT and RTS need to get more time at 12 and leave RI at 13 to partner with them.
I also agree with those who suggest either of the Umaga-Jensen brothers, if and it's a big if... they can just stay fit and healthy, could be a long term answer. PUJ looked at home in the Black jersey in that one match.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Black backline:
@BartMan said in All Black backline:
Never before have I seen an AB backline so lacking in ideas on attack. Not just this test, but the last 18 months. Havilli is not the answer at 12, Ioane at 13, maybe. But who to come in. We've had nothing world class since Nonu and Smith.
ALB and Goodhue would fix things overnight if you could get both of them on the pitch at the same time
if we're just wishing for unlikely things to happen then why not just wish for nonu and smith to come back as 21 year olds
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11- Clarke
12- Jordie
13- Ioane
14- Reece
15- JordanThat try that Jordie set up for Clarke, was a perfect example of what Jordie was doing during super rugby and what he is capable of as a midfield option.
I think Reece needs to be in the side. He’s quite different to all of our other backs because he’s both a creator and finisher.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Black backline:
11- Clarke
12- Jordie
13- Ioane
14- Reece
15- JordanThat try that Jordie set up for Clarke, was a perfect example of what Jordie was doing during super rugby and what he is capable of as a midfield option.
I think Reece needs to be in the side. He’s quite different to all of our other backs because he’s both a creator and finisher.
100% agree on that backline. I think we need to try someone else at 12, Jordie would be my pick aswell.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Black backline:
11- Clarke
12- Jordie
13- Ioane
14- Reece
15- JordanThat try that Jordie set up for Clarke, was a perfect example of what Jordie was doing during super rugby and what he is capable of as a midfield option.
I think Reece needs to be in the side. He’s quite different to all of our other backs because he’s both a creator and finisher.
definitely give it a go, swapping one winger or one midfielder here and there just isn;t enough anymore
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Black backline:
11- Clarke
12- Jordie
13- Ioane
14- Reece
15- JordanThat try that Jordie set up for Clarke, was a perfect example of what Jordie was doing during super rugby and what he is capable of as a midfield option.
I think Reece needs to be in the side. He’s quite different to all of our other backs because he’s both a creator and finisher.
Crikey, just a bit of a shuffle and all of a sudden that backline looks a shitload better.
Thanks for your efforts Havili but time to move on.
I’m picking the usual naysayers pointing out Jordie hasn’t played 12 since he was about five years old but that’s the fern for ya.
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@MN5 said in All Black backline:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Black backline:
11- Clarke
12- Jordie
13- Ioane
14- Reece
15- JordanThat try that Jordie set up for Clarke, was a perfect example of what Jordie was doing during super rugby and what he is capable of as a midfield option.
I think Reece needs to be in the side. He’s quite different to all of our other backs because he’s both a creator and finisher.
Crikey, just a bit of a shuffle and all of a sudden that backline looks a shitload better.
Thanks for your efforts Havili but time to move on.
I’m picking the usual naysayers pointing out Jordie hasn’t played 12 since he was about five years old but that’s the fern for ya.
Apart from SR this year
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Black backline:
11- Clarke
12- Jordie
13- Ioane
14- Reece
15- JordanLooks good if I do say so myself... https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/post/707759
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For all the talk of Goodhue being too slow, how many times has he actually been skinned on the outside? Ioane on the other hand contributes to loads of defensive misalignments and miscommunications, and that costs territory and tries regularly. He's an excellent tackler, and his speed gets him out of trouble a lot, but he's a big contributor to our poor defensive system. He's also one of the too many players we have who contribute multiple turnovers to the opposition every game. And on attack he blows tries by ignoring support, runs his outsides out of space, and has slow hands.
He's a great runner ball in hand, sensational in fact. Wing.Doesn't really matter how much better Goodhue is anyway though, because he's forever injured.
