Foster, Robertson etc
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@Machpants said in Foster:
I hope paul is right, and that means I can watch a victory under Razor at Eden Park!
Hamilton has been called many things, even rocked a slogan for a while proclaiming to be not as bad as people thought, but this week it will be cast in a new role as destiny-maker.
One more loss for the All Blacks this week and Hamilton has to be the end of the line for head coach Ian Foster and many in his wider management team.
One more loss and Hamilton, for the sake of a legacy 120 years in the making, has to be the terminus.
Do we have to wait that long,AB's will win in Wellington as the Pumas have played their big game.
And then all will be great again until we lose to Australia.
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@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Foster has had 11 years in the AB environment how long does it take for NZR to realise how shit he is.
As far as I can tell Foster still decides on bench time changes. Someone please advise if this is not correct.
As far as I understand you are correct that is Fosters responsibility subs.
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@nostrildamus he either makes the call or has final say if the team put a suggestion or strategy to him. Surely he hasn't devolved that responsibility to his assistants... surely!
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@Paekakboyz said in Foster:
@nostrildamus he either makes the call or has final say if the team put a suggestion or strategy to him. Surely he hasn't devolved that responsibility to his assistants... surely!
Thanks I ask as there are now so many assistants.
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@Chester-Draws RA/Raelene tied Rennie up early - before NZR put out a call for applications. He was never a realistic option.
I also doubt Joseph was a realistic option. Pretty sure he'd be earning a mint coaching Japan.
The reason that happened is that NZR insisted on waiting until after RWC to start the process, cos all coaches should wait for their chance, and spurn other offers. It was either utterly incompetent and arrogant to assume coaches would put their future on hold on the chance of an ABs role, or it was fait accompli. If NZR hadn't been such a useless bunch of fluffybunnies and ran the selection leading upto the RWC, more would have put their name in, with the possibility of going elsewhere if they failed
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Many of us could see in October 2019 that Foster as AB Head coach would be a disaster.
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/3557/message-to-the-nzru?_=1661677026290
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@nostrildamus oops I just re-read my post and I'm with you. I hope he makes the call but who knows at the moment. They frequently cite group think so it's hard to tell what Foster makes the calls on 🤷♂️
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@sparky
That's nothing to crow about, 95% of anyone who knows anything about the situation would have said the same thing.The NZRU, Foster, AB players obviously feel bulletproof from criticism and reality. All that matters to them is keeping the gravy train going as long as possible. If it was about pride then they would have stepped down. They aren't even bothering to show any contrition. Sadly even if the ABs manage to recover from this, they have lost historical records that can never be recovered.
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@sparky
That's nothing to crow about, 95% of anyone who knows anything about the situation would have said the same thing.The NZRU, Foster, AB players obviously feel bulletproof from criticism and reality. All that matters to them is keeping the gravy train going as possible. If it was about pride then they would have stepped down. They aren't even bothering to show any contrition. Sadly even if the ABs manage to recover from this, they have lost historical records that can never be recovered.
It is a good question, what would be the level of substandard performance that a board member or NZR staff member or coach feel they would need to step down over?
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The vast majority of the Fern and the All Blacks supporters could see Foster would be an absolute disaster. But the outgoing coaching team, the NZRU, the senior players but worst of all the dullard cheerleaders in the mainstream media repeatedly backed a man clearly not up to the job. They were cheering on Captain Smith as he sped towards the iceberg. They had no thought of the consequences to the hard-earned historic reputation of the once-feared Black Jersey. It was utter arrogance and folly. So sad and if the powers that be had an iota of common sense between them, entirely avoidable.
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We are Donsteppa clones. Literally Dr Who
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@nostrildamus said in Foster:
I don't mind so much losing the Bled. It would be to a Kiwi coach. And arguably the Wallabies are playing fresher, more inventive rugby.
No thanks.
They’re in a similar roller coaster to us in my view. I enjoyed their win against the Boks though. Consistency is a problem so let’s see what happens on the weekend.
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D Duluth referenced this topic on
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At least Foster is honest about now not knowing how to fix this.
Back to these All Blacks and their mounting problems, it’s alarming to hear Foster concede some of their problems, highlighted in this latest embarrassing loss to Argentina, “are clearly not that easy to fix”
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@Chris thats because the problems start before they get on the field.
Too much going on in thier heads, lack of confidence in themselves, one another, vicious circle.
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@taniwharugby said in Foster:
@Chris thats because the problems start before they get on the field.
Too much going on in thier heads, lack of confidence in themselves, one another, vicious circle.
That’s where you need leaders to come forward
Headed by the Hc and Captain to start instilling a belief.Not sack assistant coaches and take off your Captain 4 games straight.
No positive messages there , Just a doubtful looking over your shoulder to see who gets it next
Enviroment that will keep spiraling down until they turn on each other.
I have seen it all before in teams.The signs are there this will get a lot worse.
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Just a doubtful looking over your shoulder to see who gets it next
i sort of see your point
but
who has actually paid for this run of results? two assistants and Sevu Reece as far as i can tell. I am yet to see any evidence that the 23 wouldn't have been the same from the first test of the year if it weren't for injury.
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@mariner4life said in Foster:
Just a doubtful looking over your shoulder to see who gets it next
i sort of see your point
but
who has actually paid for this run of results? two assistants and Sevu Reece as far as i can tell. I am yet to see any evidence that the 23 wouldn't have been the same from the first test of the year if it weren't for injury.
I think Cane has as well Subbing your Captain is not a good look 4 games straight. It sends a message he can not bring the team home in the last 20 that creates doubt in your Captain.
I think the players are all paying for this shit.You have coached teams like I have if you keep losing the players start looking at the Coach within the team environment, is he giving us the right tools to win are we following the right leader is this coach stuffing my career as we are losing.
Losing environments can create scape goats within the environment not aired in public yet but that will come as people scramble to save jobs and careers.I am sure you have pulled losing teams into winning ones as I have gone into clubs and turned them around I don't have to spell out to a fellow player and coach what that takes.
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I still have hope Foster will be fired.
The performances are just so bad and look set to continue.But, will Razor still want the job???
Team is shit, passed over three times, senior players backing Foster, rumors of a rift between him and Jason Ryan and possible competing bigger offers overseas.
Fuckin tall order.(also hoping Robinson is shown the door)
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@Chester-Draws RA/Raelene tied Rennie up early - before NZR put out a call for applications. He was never a realistic option.
I also doubt Joseph was a realistic option. Pretty sure he'd be earning a mint coaching Japan.
You think that if Rennie had been given the same wink and a nod that he was going to be the next AB coach, the way Foster was lined up, that he would still have chosen Australia? Because I find that unbelievable.
I'm not sure Joseph was never a realistic option if the NZR was actually doing the process in an unbiased way. For a team needing to regain their harder edge he would have been a very good choice. If I had been appointing, I would have seriously considered him.
