All Blacks v Pumas 1
-
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Yeah strange game , at halftime while I didn’t think we were great , I thought we were tracking ok ,
Could see new things I thought were the new coaches at work , and thought that was a bit satisfying
Then fucked if I know what happened second half , we went back to shambles that more resembled the season so far .
The puma came out firing, Cheika can motivate and instill belief. Then foster the clown replaced our main form of go forward. A lucky bounce, and shit defence from Smith, and the team is in a position they need a plan B. Foster has barely given the team a plan A, so headless chook time
-
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Yeah strange game , at halftime while I didn’t think we were great , I thought we were tracking ok ,
Could see new things I thought were the new coaches at work , and thought that was a bit satisfying
Then fucked if I know what happened second half , we went back to shambles that more resembled the season so far .
Agree. We certainly weren't great but were doing ok. We need to give this new coaching team a bit more time though. It only the first test with Joe Schmidt fully on board so I will wait at least until the Aussie tests. Which is what NZR should have done
-
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Cheika can motivate and instill belief
He will be feeling good about how things are going and with good reason.
Edit Should add well done to Argentina. Another first
-
@Machpants and while on them , their defence was excellent,
Dave Kidwell a failed kiwi coach as defence coach , and he spoke well after the game I thought ,
Teams have had success with ex league players as defence coaches , something nz hasn’t explored ?
and they are dime a dozen this part of the world .
-
@NTA said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@stodders said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Pepe said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Well done Argies.
ABs very poor.
Most random reffing performance I have seen for some time, well since that Wales v Boks test.
He's simply not up to standard but he wasn't the reason you lost.
Was a factor.
Take him out and we win.
Not convinced
Ref wasn't committing the penalties and throwing the ball in shit
Ref invented penalties, for one side and ignored the other side.
It created the scoreboard pressure. And subsequent panic.
Sure we did stupid shit too.
But change that factor and put a proper ref in charge and that result changes.
That's down to the captain, players and coaches not adapting to the ref
Everyone knew he's useless before kick off
NZ did not play the ref, Argentina did
End of
So you're saying the referee's inadequacies affected the result?
I agree entirely
The team's inadequacies affected the result much more
Take one factor out and the result changes
Not giving away so many penalties to allow the Pumas to stay in touch?
Yes.
That is another different factor.
But then ask yourself were all those penalties legit, or were they the result of an incompetent referee?
I thought a couple were a bit rough on the ABs. But then, your hooker detatched from the maul for his try, so....
I like that the ref was pretty strict on latching player going to deck - and fairly consistent.
Again... change that factor ...
Or be good enough that a couple of decisions aren't in frame.
I wondered about this at the time. On the replay it looks like ST manages to keep holding on to the player in front despite his shoulders losing contact. I thought as long as physical contact remained they are still bound?
-
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Cliches:
A leopard doesn't change it's spots.
Well, Ian Foster is a born fucking loser promoted through the mediocrity worshipping NZ system. Sam Cane is another absolute born loser.
Guess what? It's another record loss!
Jeepers mate. Settle down. I think cane should be dropped but you’re losing self control there buddy.
Fuck, I reckon.
That’s fucking pathetic. Only loser is the one making the comment!! Weak
-
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@stodders said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Pepe said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Well done Argies.
ABs very poor.
Most random reffing performance I have seen for some time, well since that Wales v Boks test.
He's simply not up to standard but he wasn't the reason you lost.
Was a factor.
Take him out and we win.
Not convinced
Ref wasn't committing the penalties and throwing the ball in shit
Ref invented penalties, for one side and ignored the other side.
It created the scoreboard pressure. And subsequent panic.
Sure we did stupid shit too.
But change that factor and put a proper ref in charge and that result changes.
That's down to the captain, players and coaches not adapting to the ref
Everyone knew he's useless before kick off
NZ did not play the ref, Argentina did
End of
So you're saying the referee's inadequacies affected the result?
I agree entirely
The team's inadequacies affected the result much more
Take one factor out and the result changes
Not giving away so many penalties to allow the Pumas to stay in touch?
Yes.
That is another different factor.
But then ask yourself were all those penalties legit, or were they the result of an incompetent referee?
I thought a couple were a bit rough on the ABs. But then, your hooker detatched from the maul for his try, so....
I like that the ref was pretty strict on latching player going to deck - and fairly consistent.
Again... change that factor ...
Or be good enough that a couple of decisions aren't in frame.
I wondered about this at the time. On the replay it looks like ST manages to keep holding on to the player in front despite his shoulders losing contact. I thought as long as physical contact remained they are still bound?
Nope, not fully bound, penalty kick
-
Cheika even thinks Robertson is a great coach a piece from the Pumas press conference.
He’d been asked about No 8 Pablo Matera, who helped the Crusaders win a record-extending 13th Super Rugby crown this year, and played a big hand in a superb performance by the Pumas’ loose forwards
“I think that the Crusaders have made a really huge mark, and Scott Robertson has made a really huge mark on Pablo. He came here to learn more about rugby, didn't come here for money or anything like that, and it shows the quality of the franchise and the coaching here, he's come back a heaps better player - mentally and technically.
-
@kiwiinmelb I think we are not very good at looking outside the box.
Henry and even Hansen used to work with league teams, and even some nfl iirc.
Wayne Smith has DC doing some skills stuff, think mccaw was speaking with the group too...Wiki or Mannering would be a couple of guys that carry huge mana that would fit well into the rugby world at coaching/technical level.
We have massive resource of the things required yet from the outside it seems we are reluctant to use them.
I thought the 1st half last night we were looking pretty good, created plenty of chances but lacked polish, but then the 2nd half we reverted to the same bs we have been serving up for 2+ years, where we keep banging into a wall of defenders expecting it to break.
Unsure if the change of front row was the catalyst, but you took away one of our best ball carriers and 2 busy props getting the business done at scrum time.
Always hated and never understood the subbing inside 10 mins of halftime, and to do it to an entire front row that was going so well?
Who is that change on? Foster or Ryan?
-
I had heard that during Razors interview he had outlined his plan for the AB's to 2023 and outlined key metrics he would utilise to get the squad together.
He went so far as to show how many minutes the players would have under their belts by the time the RWC came around.
Foster is week to week to my eye and has been for a long time.
Sotutu, Vaii, Papalii, Fakatava, Christie, Perofeta, RTS, Sowakula , Ennor, Fainga'anuku etc.
Whats the plan for these guys?
Why was Samisoni under used in Ireland series. Why was big Karl used over a Newell or DeGroot at the time?
-
@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Sam Cane gets by from being a nice guy from the middle of nowhere. He is an absolutely terrible rugby player. He should get the fuck out of the All Blacks.
I really like him. I think it was circa 2016 he put on the most dominant tackling display I've ever seen against Wales in Cardiff. It was frightening.
But those days are long gone and he is yesterdays man.
He should have been picked for the RWC semi final but Hansen Guardiola'd himself by trying something mental in a knockout game.
The talk about succession planning is a farce when Hansens assistant gets the head coach role and then gives the same bloke that was dropped for the semi the captains armband.
I remember at the time thinking this is a weird decision,
Just named the guy captain that you lot couldn’t fit into the team for the most important game in 4 years
-
What I don’t get is even if you want to keep Cane no way you can trust his decision making at Captain. What was the point of having Jordie take that kick a million miles away? Why didn’t he put another scrum down after the scrum penalty in the red zone? I think Cane should be dropped but if you don’t drop him he can’t be Captain.
-
@Chris said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Cheika even thinks Robertson is a great coach a piece from the Pumas press conference.
He’d been asked about No 8 Pablo Matera, who helped the Crusaders win a record-extending 13th Super Rugby crown this year, and played a big hand in a superb performance by the Pumas’ loose forwards
“I think that the Crusaders have made a really huge mark, and Scott Robertson has made a really huge mark on Pablo. He came here to learn more about rugby, didn't come here for money or anything like that, and it shows the quality of the franchise and the coaching here, he's come back a heaps better player - mentally and technically.
That is some A level mind games right there, well played Cheika.
-
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Sam Cane gets by from being a nice guy from the middle of nowhere. He is an absolutely terrible rugby player. He should get the fuck out of the All Blacks.
I really like him. I think it was circa 2016 he put on the most dominant tackling display I've ever seen against Wales in Cardiff. It was frightening.
But those days are long gone and he is yesterdays man.
He should have been picked for the RWC semi final but Hansen Guardiola'd himself by trying something mental in a knockout game.
The talk about succession planning is a farce when Hansens assistant gets the head coach role and then gives the same bloke that was dropped for the semi the captains armband.
I remember at the time thinking this is a weird decision,
Just named the guy captain that you lot couldn’t fit into the team for the most important game in 4 years
Apparently the team are rebuilding. Have been since 2019, despite only a couple of retirements after the cup (read, sbw, Ben Smith). How the fuck is a team, with the same coaching ticket and virtually the same players rebuilding? And how the fuck can it take two and a half years?
-
It is a real concern that the coaching group thought Frizell a part timer at best could have a bigger impact on the game then the AB captain. This can't be good for Canes mental health either being subbed constantly then fronting the media to deal with fosters impressive record making run.
-
on the front row substitution:
The All Blacks achieved some dominance over their rivals during the opening 40 minutes, enjoying a clear edge at scrum and lineout time, but watched that dissipate in the second half, after Foster replaced his starting front row en masse four minutes after the break.
Particularly missed was powerful hooker Samisoni Taukei'aho, who scored their first try from a lineout drive and stole Pumas lineout ball to spark the second to winger Caleb Clarke.
Foster hints the decision to replace them was an injury-prevention issue, but replacement hooker Codie Taylor was one of the main offenders, with his team trailling late and desperately searching for another try. -
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Yeah strange game , at halftime while I didn’t think we were great , I thought we were tracking ok ,
Could see new things I thought were the new coaches at work , and thought that was a bit satisfying
Then fucked if I know what happened second half , we went back to shambles that more resembled the season so far .
The puma came out firing, Cheika can motivate and instill belief. Then foster the clown replaced our main form of go forward. A lucky bounce, and shit defence from Smith, and the team is in a position they need a plan B. Foster has barely given the team a plan A, so headless chook time
How did our coaches not know that only a subset of our forwards were up to speed on defending a maul? Inexplicable.
-
It would be beneficial if the ABs lost Puma2 and Bledisloe
-
@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Cheika even thinks Robertson is a great coach a piece from the Pumas press conference.
He’d been asked about No 8 Pablo Matera, who helped the Crusaders win a record-extending 13th Super Rugby crown this year, and played a big hand in a superb performance by the Pumas’ loose forwards
“I think that the Crusaders have made a really huge mark, and Scott Robertson has made a really huge mark on Pablo. He came here to learn more about rugby, didn't come here for money or anything like that, and it shows the quality of the franchise and the coaching here, he's come back a heaps better player - mentally and technically.
That is some A level mind games right there, well played Cheika.
I’ve actually changed my opinion on Cheka a bit after watching him on Stan in their rugby media team ,
He has a bit more humorous mischief about him in the Eddie jones mould than I thought
-
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
It would be beneficial if the ABs lost Puma2 and Bledisloe
I said that above, it's the only way NZR will get is head out of it's own arse and see what everyone else sees. Maybe foster would find a shred of honour then and resign. Hopefully swiftly followed by the board and Robinson
My head is hoping for 3 more losses, tho my heart won't
