All Blacks v Pumas 1
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@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Gregor Paul was on Irish podcast after the South Africa game to talk about Fosters backing from NZRU.
He opined that maybe a lot of the players backed Foster because if Razor was appointed they would be dropped....
If not dropped, I am sure Razor would certainly demand a lot more of them than Foster and I can definitely see a few of the current squad not really being up for the challenge of someone like Razor or indeed any new coach who might turn this ship around
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@junior said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Gregor Paul was on Irish podcast after the South Africa game to talk about Fosters backing from NZRU.
He opined that maybe a lot of the players backed Foster because if Razor was appointed they would be dropped....
If not dropped, I am sure Razor would certainly demand a lot more of them than Foster and I can definitely see a few of the current squad not really being up for the challenge of someone like Razor or indeed any new coach who might turn this ship around
I think they genuinely like him. But it isn't a social club, it is supposed to be a lean mean point-scoring machine. Which, statistically, it isn't.
The players, coaching team, or quality of the opposition are to blame.
The question is what can be done, and I don't think just dropping and replacing and moving players has proven to be a consistently effective solution. -
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@junior said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Gregor Paul was on Irish podcast after the South Africa game to talk about Fosters backing from NZRU.
He opined that maybe a lot of the players backed Foster because if Razor was appointed they would be dropped....
If not dropped, I am sure Razor would certainly demand a lot more of them than Foster and I can definitely see a few of the current squad not really being up for the challenge of someone like Razor or indeed any new coach who might turn this ship around
I think they genuinely like him. But it isn't a social club, it is supposed to be a lean mean point-scoring machine. Which, statistically, it isn't.
The players, coaching team, or quality of the opposition are to blame.
The question is what can be done, and I don't think just dropping and replacing and moving players has proven to be a consistently effective solution.As I alluded to in a semi tongue in cheek rant a few match threads back.....its all too nice.
From the social media account, to the breakdown punditry, to the players to the management.
Too friendly. not ruthless. Even when they get hatcheted by the ref they turn the other cheek. Beaudy nearly had his neck broken against the boks and Finlay Christie is over checking the assailants well being. Peter O Mahoney would have him by the throat.
Same with the refs. Sexton, Biggar, Owen Farrell , Eddie Jones , Cheika, Rassie. They are in the refs ear all the time and take no shit.
NZ management and captain are just stoic wet blankets now.
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@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Gregor Paul was on Irish podcast after the South Africa game to talk about Fosters backing from NZRU.
He opined that maybe a lot of the players backed Foster because if Razor was appointed they would be dropped....
Sounds like Conspiracy Theory 101 bollocks considering the players who vocally & publicly backed Foster were Ardie, Ritchie & Sam Whitelock. And I really can't see Robertson being daft enough to drop those three.
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@broughie said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Steve doesn’t this sound like NZ right now.? It seems the country has been neutered by Cindy highlighted but a fear approach to Covid.
Yeah pretty much.
Like I remember Goldie as a player. Loved a bit of sledging and an over exuberant rub it in your face try celebration.
He is completely insipid as a pundit. All he is missing is the pom poms.
Muliaina did a Vox pop on Cane post Ellis park and outlined "that's why he is our captain".
You played with McCaw for pretty much your whole career mate. Thats the standard.Leave the jersey in a better place than you found it was the mantra.
Most of these lads aren't doing that.
Whitelock is the only oldie doing himself justice.
Cane , Aaron Smith, Havili, Taylor, Coles, dare I say Retallick. Most of the props.
They can foxtrot Oscar for a few games. They have lost 6 out of 8.
The crest on the front is bigger than any name on the back.
Someone else deserves a chance.
There are plenty of diamonds in the rough who just need a chance. Fletcher Newell was sat at home two weeks ago and I watched him push an Argentinians head up his arse today aged 22.
Give the boys a chance. Inject some exuberance into it.
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@Stag Yeah because SR and test rugby are about the same standard aren't they......
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A day on and what is sad is we are so use to this it doesn’t hurt!
On reflection they did some good stuff, especially the first half, on attack and d, looking world class, which I think needs to be the teams dna. Issue was being more patient and execution. Then it’s the impact from bench, what a shocker, most notably at hooker which has been an issue all year. Or timing of subs need to be sorted, I would be keeping the starters on to 60-65 mins.
Our trust in our system under pressure is also a major work on, as the score closed we looked panicked as we have in the last 24mnths. I think ALB is someone who we sorely miss at centre, can work in close quarters, leadership.
Another player watching how the Argies defended us is a Thomas Umanga-Jensen. Although he gets inj he looked dynamic in first couple of. Games, can play direct, offloads, pressure d line.
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@98blueandgold said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Strange old game, we played so well I thought in the first half. For me it was the subbing of the front row at 44min was the turning point. (Argie hooker got subbed at 75th min!), they were dominating and when they went off our attack changed, going a little wider and playing into puma line speed hands. Codie Taylor, awful and has been all year, so has Coles, who is 2nd hooker? also lack of composer in backs. looked rushed again in all we did and like we didn't have plan.
Agree, just don't know what happened. Taylor stuffed a few throws, one he hit target with Akira caught and Puma just took it out of his hands. When the new front row came on our maul disintergrated seemingly, picture I will keep seeing is Newell at the back of one just standing sideways going flatout towards our goal line. We just never adjusted to ref,I thought, he was allowing holding players in tackle, but hitting every slight incorrect entry to rucks etc, we never adapted. Probably other thing that surprised me was how such a big thing was made of Crusaders players being at home, and associated press, none were that great, Sam W was bloody good in lineouts, but seemed to be a little off pace in rest of game, Scott B was ok, Richie M after statement performance last week was ok and no more, Havili and Jordan were pretty ordinary. I not saying only Crusaders players were not flash, but really though they may make a statement at home.
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@Damo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
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@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
whats the Georgian for "your having a fakking laugh mate"
you're
you're a kunt
Yous two calm down.
*Ewes
I know "yous" sounds appalling but English is dumb not to have a word for second person plural.
(technically it does: "you" but the second person singular "thou" went out 200 years ago and never got replaced).
Never said Lord’s Prayer at school: Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name…?
At school? I should hope not.
Prayers at assembly.
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@Nevorian said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
"So, a tough learning curve for this group at the moment.''
- Ian Foster since 2019.
Foster's learning curve:
.Shouldn’t it be on -1 ?
Technically he passed his coaching exam...
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Yeah strange game , at halftime while I didn’t think we were great , I thought we were tracking ok ,
Could see new things I thought were the new coaches at work , and thought that was a bit satisfying
Then fucked if I know what happened second half , we went back to the shambles that more resembled the season so far .
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Yeah strange game , at halftime while I didn’t think we were great , I thought we were tracking ok ,
Could see new things I thought were the new coaches at work , and thought that was a bit satisfying
Then fucked if I know what happened second half , we went back to shambles that more resembled the season so far .
The puma came out firing, Cheika can motivate and instill belief. Then foster the clown replaced our main form of go forward. A lucky bounce, and shit defence from Smith, and the team is in a position they need a plan B. Foster has barely given the team a plan A, so headless chook time
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Yeah strange game , at halftime while I didn’t think we were great , I thought we were tracking ok ,
Could see new things I thought were the new coaches at work , and thought that was a bit satisfying
Then fucked if I know what happened second half , we went back to shambles that more resembled the season so far .
Agree. We certainly weren't great but were doing ok. We need to give this new coaching team a bit more time though. It only the first test with Joe Schmidt fully on board so I will wait at least until the Aussie tests. Which is what NZR should have done
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@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Cheika can motivate and instill belief
He will be feeling good about how things are going and with good reason.
Edit Should add well done to Argentina. Another first
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@Machpants and while on them , their defence was excellent,
Dave Kidwell a failed kiwi coach as defence coach , and he spoke well after the game I thought ,
Teams have had success with ex league players as defence coaches , something nz hasn’t explored ?
and they are dime a dozen this part of the world .
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Well done Argies.
ABs very poor.
Most random reffing performance I have seen for some time, well since that Wales v Boks test.
He's simply not up to standard but he wasn't the reason you lost.
Was a factor.
Take him out and we win.
Not convinced
Ref wasn't committing the penalties and throwing the ball in shit
Ref invented penalties, for one side and ignored the other side.
It created the scoreboard pressure. And subsequent panic.
Sure we did stupid shit too.
But change that factor and put a proper ref in charge and that result changes.
That's down to the captain, players and coaches not adapting to the ref
Everyone knew he's useless before kick off
NZ did not play the ref, Argentina did
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So you're saying the referee's inadequacies affected the result?
I agree entirely
The team's inadequacies affected the result much more
Take one factor out and the result changes
Not giving away so many penalties to allow the Pumas to stay in touch?
Yes.
That is another different factor.
But then ask yourself were all those penalties legit, or were they the result of an incompetent referee?
I thought a couple were a bit rough on the ABs. But then, your hooker detatched from the maul for his try, so....
I like that the ref was pretty strict on latching player going to deck - and fairly consistent.
Again... change that factor ...
Or be good enough that a couple of decisions aren't in frame.
I wondered about this at the time. On the replay it looks like ST manages to keep holding on to the player in front despite his shoulders losing contact. I thought as long as physical contact remained they are still bound?
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Cliches:
A leopard doesn't change it's spots.
Well, Ian Foster is a born fucking loser promoted through the mediocrity worshipping NZ system. Sam Cane is another absolute born loser.
Guess what? It's another record loss!
Jeepers mate. Settle down. I think cane should be dropped but you’re losing self control there buddy.
Fuck, I reckon.
That’s fucking pathetic. Only loser is the one making the comment!! Weak
