Foster, Robertson etc
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Dead Coach Storage
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@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@bayimports said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@mariner4life A random dude in ChCh might know because the Crusaders (and the Blues) would have to be looking for new coaches.
But, yeah - if Fozzie is a dead man they should have buried him and Joe be taking the team to SA.
The Random Dude does talk to a certain person in this equation.
then we call that sauce around here, lets see if its a home brand or some gourmet shit
Last bottle of sauce I bought was a very good brand but still turned out to leave a sour taste.
Makes me wonder if the sauce makers are taking us for a ride.Last sauce I had a couple of months ago tasted fine a certain HB was signed by the crusaders.
But this one is someone else’s so who knows.
HB sauce!
Yeah Half Back Sauce called Hotham.
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@mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Hansen not happy, you can put some of this on him, we stagnated from late in his time at the helm to now, plus he endorsed Fozzie so this tarnishes his rep too.
yeah fuck off Steve. Your overall point isn't wrong, but your angle on it absolutely is.
Steve trying to keep the heat off his mate and his own decision to back him publicly and loudly. As for him comparing the captaincies of McCaw and Cane - total bullshit. Cane is arguably on the decline whereas McCaw in 2007 wasn't.
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it is a big slapdown of NZR, don't blame coaches or players or the CEO, but, everybody else esp High Performance people?
Gotta say on that it seems like he could be right (a lot of marketing people and bean counters, esp on board, and not quite smooth handling of the All Yanks shares).
But when does the coach become responsible? Not like we are missing key players all the way down to 20 year olds, or maybe we are! -
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@bayimports said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@mariner4life A random dude in ChCh might know because the Crusaders (and the Blues) would have to be looking for new coaches.
But, yeah - if Fozzie is a dead man they should have buried him and Joe be taking the team to SA.
The Random Dude does talk to a certain person in this equation.
then we call that sauce around here, lets see if its a home brand or some gourmet shit
Last bottle of sauce I bought was a very good brand but still turned out to leave a sour taste.
Makes me wonder if the sauce makers are taking us for a ride.I imagine it has been - and probably still is - a pretty fluid situation with lots of potential outcomes depending upon who does and says what and at what time. All that is to say that maybe the sauce was not bad per se, but prone was to go off quickly if not stored properly.
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How dare someone leave people open to criticism in public eh Steve? Best you criticise them in public for that.
Your closed doors is how we got Foster in the first place. The hiring process was abysmal, ruled out all the good options deliberately so your mate could get the job. And the organisation, having previously wheeled out bullshit like 'coaches must have international experience' when it suited, then pick a guy without any head coach success in NZ, let alone inernationally.
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@reprobate said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
How dare someone leave people open to criticism in public eh Steve? Best you criticise them in public for that.
Your closed doors is how we got Foster in the first place. The hiring process was abysmal, ruled out all the good options deliberately so your mate could get the job. And the organisation, having previously wheeled out bullshit like 'coaches must have international experience' when it suited, then pick a guy without any head coach success in NZ, let alone inernationally.
Zero integrity.Yeah, it's ridiculous for Hansen say Foster's a good coach and call out some of the online abuse when everyone knows Foster's rubbish and deserves everything he gets, isn't it? Hansen's obviously clueless and it's not as if he's had any decent experience or success at international level so he's best ignored.
And as for Mo'unga praising Foster, what would he know about coaching quality? Has he ever been coached by anyone decent?
An alternate view is these guys might actually have more insight into the current problems than most other people - including rugby hacks - and the current problems in NZ Rugby might run a wee bit deeper than the coaching skills of one bloke. Bit bloody inconvenient, if that is the case, eh?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@reprobate said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
How dare someone leave people open to criticism in public eh Steve? Best you criticise them in public for that.
Your closed doors is how we got Foster in the first place. The hiring process was abysmal, ruled out all the good options deliberately so your mate could get the job. And the organisation, having previously wheeled out bullshit like 'coaches must have international experience' when it suited, then pick a guy without any head coach success in NZ, let alone inernationally.
Zero integrity.Yeah, it's ridiculous for Hansen say Foster's a good coach and call out some of the online abuse when everyone knows Foster's rubbish and deserves everything he gets, isn't it? Hansen's obviously clueless and it's not as if he's had any decent experience or success at international level so he's best ignored.
And as for Mo'unga praising Foster, what would he know about coaching quality? Has he ever been coached by anyone decent?
An alternate view is these guys might actually have more insight into the current problems than most other people - including rugby hacks - and the current problems in NZ Rugby might run a wee bit deeper than the coaching skills of one bloke. Bit bloody inconvenient, if that is the case, eh?
Well said, you grumpy old bastard!
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@reprobate said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
How dare someone leave people open to criticism in public eh Steve? Best you criticise them in public for that.
Your closed doors is how we got Foster in the first place. The hiring process was abysmal, ruled out all the good options deliberately so your mate could get the job. And the organisation, having previously wheeled out bullshit like 'coaches must have international experience' when it suited, then pick a guy without any head coach success in NZ, let alone inernationally.
Zero integrity.Yeah, it's ridiculous for Hansen say Foster's a good coach and call out some of the online abuse when everyone knows Foster's rubbish and deserves everything he gets, isn't it? Hansen's obviously clueless and it's not as if he's had any decent experience or success at international level so he's best ignored.
And as for Mo'unga praising Foster, what would he know about coaching quality? Has he ever been coached by anyone decent?
An alternate view is these guys might actually have more insight into the current problems than most other people - including rugby hacks - and the current problems in NZ Rugby might run a wee bit deeper than the coaching skills of one bloke. Bit bloody inconvenient, if that is the case, eh?
There are deeper problems, but getting rid of Foster is important. Both can be true.
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Deep down I am convinced they could replace every one at NZR and that won't fix our coaching problems.
However on a more positive note I have done a scientific study of 2021 to 2022 and not only did the ABs have DMac but also a much higher % of mullets.
Correlation is not causation but nothing else seems to work.
Nb if Hansen thinks NZR was harmonious when he was there I wonder how he explains the RWC2019 result.
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@Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@reprobate said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
How dare someone leave people open to criticism in public eh Steve? Best you criticise them in public for that.
Your closed doors is how we got Foster in the first place. The hiring process was abysmal, ruled out all the good options deliberately so your mate could get the job. And the organisation, having previously wheeled out bullshit like 'coaches must have international experience' when it suited, then pick a guy without any head coach success in NZ, let alone inernationally.
Zero integrity.Yeah, it's ridiculous for Hansen say Foster's a good coach and call out some of the online abuse when everyone knows Foster's rubbish and deserves everything he gets, isn't it? Hansen's obviously clueless and it's not as if he's had any decent experience or success at international level so he's best ignored.
And as for Mo'unga praising Foster, what would he know about coaching quality? Has he ever been coached by anyone decent?
An alternate view is these guys might actually have more insight into the current problems than most other people - including rugby hacks - and the current problems in NZ Rugby might run a wee bit deeper than the coaching skills of one bloke. Bit bloody inconvenient, if that is the case, eh?
There are deeper problems, but getting rid of Foster is important. Both can be true.
It's of paramount important to some people. But if Foster's the problem, then what do you do when the solution you put in place doesn't work? Shrug your shoulders and say at least we tried something?
When you unpick the "Foster must go" argument and ask how many Tests you'd give a Foster-replacement to improve things (like the win percentage) before he too gets sacked, things get a bit more vague and/or complicated for some reason. Really can't think why if the quality of the coach is a key problem.
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@antipodean said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@mariner4life A random dude in ChCh might know because the Crusaders (and the Blues) would have to be looking for new coaches.
But, yeah - if Fozzie is a dead man they should have buried him and Joe be taking the team to SA.
If that's NZR's grand plan, then they're going to be in a bit of a bind when Fozzie starts winning everything with more competent assistants.
That's fine. That'll mean he leads the team to WC and sails off into the sunset. It will only become awkward if he misses the hints and reapplies for another term
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@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Deep down I am convinced they could replace every one at NZR and that won't fix our coaching problems.
However on a more positive note I have done a scientific study of 2021 to 2022 and not only did the ABs have DMac but also a much higher % of mullets.
Correlation is not causation but nothing else seems to work.
Nb if Hansen thinks NZR was harmonious when he was there I wonder how he explains the RWC2019 result.
England played a freakishly good game having prepared for 4 years to beat the ABs. If only it had been the final Eddie!
NZ hadn't played badly in 2019 (not brilliant mind). They beat the winners SA in the pool game, they overcame their bogey team Ireland comprehensively in the QFs. SF was one step too many for some of the older players and England were 100% prepared on how they had to play NZ.
It shouldn't be forgotten that SA squeaked past Wales in the SF. Tournament rugby is predominantly about fine margins and hoping you don't get cards, injuries and that luck is with you.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@reprobate said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
How dare someone leave people open to criticism in public eh Steve? Best you criticise them in public for that.
Your closed doors is how we got Foster in the first place. The hiring process was abysmal, ruled out all the good options deliberately so your mate could get the job. And the organisation, having previously wheeled out bullshit like 'coaches must have international experience' when it suited, then pick a guy without any head coach success in NZ, let alone inernationally.
Zero integrity.Yeah, it's ridiculous for Hansen say Foster's a good coach and call out some of the online abuse when everyone knows Foster's rubbish and deserves everything he gets, isn't it? Hansen's obviously clueless and it's not as if he's had any decent experience or success at international level so he's best ignored.
And as for Mo'unga praising Foster, what would he know about coaching quality? Has he ever been coached by anyone decent?
An alternate view is these guys might actually have more insight into the current problems than most other people - including rugby hacks - and the current problems in NZ Rugby might run a wee bit deeper than the coaching skills of one bloke. Bit bloody inconvenient, if that is the case, eh?
There are deeper problems, but getting rid of Foster is important. Both can be true.
It's of paramount important to some people. But if Foster's the problem, then what do you do when the solution you put in place doesn't work? Shrug your shoulders and say at least we tried something?
When you unpick the "Foster must go" argument and ask how many Tests you'd give a Foster-replacement to improve things (like the win percentage) before he too gets sacked, things get a bit more vague and/or complicated for some reason. Really can't think why if the quality of the coach is a key problem.
It will be interesting to see what effect, if any, Foster taking over the backs/attack remit has on the team. By all accounts, those in the 2015 team were very complimentary about him when he was an assistant coach and the ABs during 2015 to 2019 weren't bad at attacking I seem to recall.
Maybe some of the load will be lifted from him and he can concentrate on a specific role. Not all coaches make good head coaches.
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Don't be distracted by the noise. Let's look at Foster's record as a coach and where the ABs are at the moment. That is all we have. That is the reality.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack Compare his record as a coach vs his record as a head coach.
I don't think he is a bad coach. The players speak about him glowingly when he is more hands on. The issue appears to be his role as head coach and how he is communicating his vision to his assistants who are tasked with the hands on implementation.
