All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider
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@Steve said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
AB’s just seem to have no imagination in attack and seem to rely on individual skill set rather than well constructed attack. They seemed desperate at times and then skill set let them down with mistakes.
Ireland on the other hand were fantastic with ball in hand, just methodical either off first phase but especially off later phases. It’s actually beautiful rugby to watch.
I am just perplexed that with everything at stake the AB’s turn up and produce such a lame first half. Previously they would turn the heat up and blow teams away. Wallabies in 2019 at Eden Park is a good example.
So where to from here? Unless he falls on his sword Foster isn’t going anywhere for now. If the AB’s loses the Bled I think his position becomes untenable.
It is untenable now. He just lost a series at home. To a very good team, yes. But a team at the END of their season. NZ haven't got better under him. Why wait when everyone can see that it just isn't working? Give the new coach the next year and write off the world cup. It is not like the world cup isn't already written off, is it?
Yeah im in full agreement. But not only that....he has given loads of players mixed signals and ruined the confidence of others.
Sotutu essentially scrapped. Samisoni dropped for third game. Will Jordan on bench for second test. Sowakula? Patty Tuipolutu usurping more deserving locks. De Groot dropped. Grace ? Jacobsen? Whats the point of Perofeta? What was the point of Ennor? Says Karl T is best scrummaging prop and gives him 20 minutes in 3 tests. Foster is a complete fuckwit.
It's the hokie cokie of selection policies.
RTS comes on at 13 after playing all his games for the Blues at 12.
The whole thing is a jambalaya of a team.
Give me an Umaga Jensen brother at 13 over Ioane. He is a left winger and that's the end of it. HIs opposite number scored in every test.
I noticed Reiko received the ball once out on the left wing, it was his best moment of the game
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@IrishMick said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@stodders As an Irish man I"m here to strut about until banned as I try to exorcise the demons of BO'D 2005.
You will be here for a while then
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@IrishMick said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Viewed from afar, I'd say Jacinda needs to breastfeed some of your lads in parliament to bulk them up.
Our lads in parliament are a reasonable size thanks very much, though the average has dropped with the sad passing of Parekura Horomia.
If we're on the subject, your wee man could do with a set of decent heels. -
@IrishMick said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Viewed from afar, I'd say Jacinda needs to breastfeed some of your lads in parliament to bulk them up.
You've come to criticise another country's parliamentarians? On a rugby forum. 2005 must really burn 🤣
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
That's 2 wins from our last 7 games against tier 1 opposition.
Coaches have to go now.
It shouldn’t even be a debate.
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@Steve said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@stodders the only goofd thing to come of it is that he is gone for 6-8 weeks according to foster so his hand will be forced to pick some new blood.
If he picks Patty T im going to petrol bomb a library.
Hope you've picked one that deserves a roasting 🤣
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@Steve said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
If you are breaking 6ft 8" Brodie Retallicks eye socket in a tackle the match ref describes as "upright" then I think you may have tackled him a tad high.
I'm sure it will be dealt with by the citing system. It is best to keep 15 vs 15 after all and let the post-match citing process do its thing.
How deliciously ironic.
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Cane and Fosters post match presser was a pathetic affair.
Foster like a defiant disgraced politician and Cane's voice was barely audible when replying to questions. He looked completely shook.
I feel sorry for Cane. He is a great man for the trench warfare but his USP is perspiration not inspiration.
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@Steve said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Cane and Fosters post match presser was a pathetic affair.
Foster like a defiant disgraced politician and Cane's voice was barely audible when replying to questions. He looked completely shook.
I feel sorry for Cane. He is a great man for the trench warfare but his USP is perspiration not inspiration.
McCaw did the same after 2007. So did Henry.
That's where the comparison ends though, as Henry/McCaw's team had dominated world rugby for the previous 2 years.
Oh, Wayne Barnes was involved again 🤣
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@IrishMick said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Viewed from afar, I'd say Jacinda needs to breastfeed some of your lads in parliament to bulk them up.
Enjoy your win. Your lads well and truly outplayed ours. Magnificent Rugby from everyone in Green.
In terms of your fishing trip. This is The Silverfern. If you're trying to troll, you're gonna have to do better than the above.
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@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
If you are breaking 6ft 8" Brodie Retallicks eye socket in a tackle the match ref describes as "upright" then I think you may have tackled him a tad high.
I'm sure it will be dealt with by the citing system. It is best to keep 15 vs 15 after all and let the post-match citing process do its thing.
How deliciously ironic.
Fundamentally that’s why I’m against the football and rugby league method of delayed censure.
You’re handing the ‘justice’ to the next opponent
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
If you are breaking 6ft 8" Brodie Retallicks eye socket in a tackle the match ref describes as "upright" then I think you may have tackled him a tad high.
I'm sure it will be dealt with by the citing system. It is best to keep 15 vs 15 after all and let the post-match citing process do its thing.
How deliciously ironic.
Fundamentally that’s why I’m against the football and rugby league method of delayed censure.
You’re handing the justice to the next opponent
Yep. Thing is Mike, if you can't be consistent, you have to leave it to a post-match review process. Red card for obvious dirty play or clear high shots to the head.
Ireland were the better team today when it was 15 v 15, but NZ with a man advantage carved them up.
Would Ireland have hung on playing with 14 for more than 10 mins with NZ having the momentum? We'll never know. But because of last week's decision and this week's inconsistency, it doesn't exactly feel right that Ireland escaped having to find out.
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@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
As stated Samisoni not starting , quite unfathomable
We are in perpetual sh*t until forwards 1-5 become consistently competitive.NZ has enough raw material to work with. Need a better mix of ball players Vs workers. If you can't do your core job (throwing, lifting, scrummaging), offer nothing around the field and are a liability on defence, it is time to sit out until you show you can do it again. Consistently.
NZ miss someone like Franks who shifts bodies and does their core job well. They have a player like Mealamu in ST. Moody's drop off in form has been a big hit to the tight five.
Locks....there is some talent coming through, but they are green. But still enough to form a good enough tight five that is more than competitive.
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@stodders I don't think the insularity is a problem.
There is no sensible gameplan.
Look at the Ireland back 3. A Brumbie cast off, a NZ cast off and Hugo Keenan.
None of the 3 of them would get in New Zealands team.
Keenan is not Christian Cullen.
Hansen is a journey man and Lowe was being slagged by Chris Ashton for being slow and fat last year.
But the three of them catch all their kicks and kick back intelligently. They don't get tackled into touch, they recycle and they make their tackles.
James Lowes left boot is used the way Dagg's used to be. They play all the rugby in our half. Their wingers fall over the line from 5 yards for their tries. Will Jordan has to score his from 70 meters. They have a system and we don't. Imagine what Andy Farrell could do with Reece, Jordan and Jordie.
Every player on that Ireland team is squeezing every ounce out of their ability.
Ireland choose the players to fit the system and game plan. NZ seem to choose their best players and then the game plan.
Are NZ too scared to drop the stars for fear they will leave?
Keenan may be no Christian Cullen, but then again who is? I must admit I was stunned when he was first capped, but he quickly became one of my favourite players. He is a very complete fullback who is equally comfortable in defence or attack, and is rated by even English papers as the best full back in the NH. Low error and runs great support lines.
I’m not a fan of Lowe’s as I think his error rate is too high, but Hansen has been a revelation from his first touch in international rugby. He is a brilliant footballer who plays right across the line, and understands fully what Farrell wants. As was said he suits the multiphase game Farrell has put in place, and he has been outstanding for us, a real bolter. The ABs love strike runners on the wing, and they’ve produced some of rugby’s greatest wingers, but we don’t have a lot of Howletts or Lomus hanging about.
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@Halfout said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
As stated Samisoni not starting , quite unfathomable
We are in perpetual sh*t until forwards 1-5 become consistently competitive.NZ has enough raw material to work with. Need a better mix of ball players Vs workers. If you can't do your core job (throwing, lifting, scrummaging), offer nothing around the field and are a liability on defence, it is time to sit out until you show you can do it again. Consistently.
NZ miss someone like Franks who shifts bodies and does their core job well. They have a player like Mealamu in ST. Moody's drop off in form has been a big hit to the tight five.
Locks....there is some talent coming through, but they are green. But still enough to form a good enough tight five that is more than competitive.
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@stodders I don't think the insularity is a problem.
There is no sensible gameplan.
Look at the Ireland back 3. A Brumbie cast off, a NZ cast off and Hugo Keenan.
None of the 3 of them would get in New Zealands team.
Keenan is not Christian Cullen.
Hansen is a journey man and Lowe was being slagged by Chris Ashton for being slow and fat last year.
But the three of them catch all their kicks and kick back intelligently. They don't get tackled into touch, they recycle and they make their tackles.
James Lowes left boot is used the way Dagg's used to be. They play all the rugby in our half. Their wingers fall over the line from 5 yards for their tries. Will Jordan has to score his from 70 meters. They have a system and we don't. Imagine what Andy Farrell could do with Reece, Jordan and Jordie.
Every player on that Ireland team is squeezing every ounce out of their ability.
Ireland choose the players to fit the system and game plan. NZ seem to choose their best players and then the game plan.
Are NZ too scared to drop the stars for fear they will leave?
Keenan may be no Christian Cullen, but then again who is? I must admit I was stunned when he was first capped, but he quickly became one of my favourite players. He is a very complete fullback who is equally comfortable in defence or attack, and is rated by even English papers as the best full back in the NH. Low error and runs great support lines.
I’m not a fan of Lowe’s as I think his error rate is too high, but Hansen has been a revelation from his first touch in international rugby. He is a brilliant footballer who plays right across the line, and understands fully what Farrell wants. As was said he suits the multiphase game Farrell has put in place, and he has been outstanding for us, a real bolter. The ABs love strike runners on the wing, and they’ve produced some of rugby’s greatest wingers, but we don’t have a lot of Howletts or Lomus hanging about.
Ireland's back 3 complement each other and suit the game plan. They are good players, but their combination makes them better.
Henry chose Kahui on the wing, not because he was the best winger, but because he brought balance to the back 3. Low error rate, high work rate. Perfect for test match rugby.
NZ have to select better. Test match rugby is about pressure. How much you can exert on the other team until they break. Then you can use your skills to seize on the opportunities. Not before.
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@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
If you are breaking 6ft 8" Brodie Retallicks eye socket in a tackle the match ref describes as "upright" then I think you may have tackled him a tad high.
I'm sure it will be dealt with by the citing system. It is best to keep 15 vs 15 after all and let the post-match citing process do its thing.
How deliciously ironic.
Fundamentally that’s why I’m against the football and rugby league method of delayed censure.
You’re handing the justice to the next opponent
Yep. Thing is Mike, if you can't be consistent, you have to leave it to a post-match review process. Red card for obvious dirty play or clear high shots to the head.
Ireland were the better team today when it was 15 v 15, but NZ with a man advantage carved them up.
Would Ireland have hung on playing with 14 for more than 10 mins with NZ having the momentum? We'll never know. But because of last week's decision and this week's inconsistency, it doesn't exactly feel right that Ireland escaped having to find out.
100%
Definite red card
And it would have taken a monumental effort to win the match
Beyond them IMHO
