@Nat said in US Politics:

Sad sad news, undermining decades of women's rights. Of course those most affected will likely be poorer women who can't afford to move out-of-state for an abortion - how can they manage? Even though it's been coming, the impact today feels ... shattering

It’s true. When people are spoonfed dogshit and expected to believe it’s chocolate ice-cream, news can be pretty confusing. Even shattering.

Now, back to reality.

One, it was never a “right” because it was never codified into law. Biden has the Presidency, Congress and Senate. He promised he was going to get the law codified, but like Obama before him never even attempted, and for a very good reason. The law as the abortion-rights extremists demand is that there be zero restrictions for any abortion. Zero. The only other nations on the planet that have as permissive an abortion policy to what these American whackjobs demand is China and North Korea. It’s a club of two, and American abortion activists want USA to be the third.

This is “undermining rights”? Is this really progress? Is this the future you want?

The Supreme Court threw Roe back at the legislature, arguing correctly it doesn’t belong in the judiciary branch. They don’t make laws, they interpret them; and Roe v Wade could not be propetly interpreted, it has always been a mess, as even the most celebrated liberal SCOTUS darling Ruth Bader Ginsburg insisted for 50 years.

What was being waged by this current SCOTUS was the “right” of the “baby” in Mississippi, where abortion is restricted after 15 weeks and the “baby” is protected, which puts Mississippi in the same company as the rest of the western world, rather than unrestricted abortions which the abortionists want Mississppi and other States placed in the same category as China and North Korea — unlimited abortions with zero restrictions and no questions asked.

I don’t expect the average person to understand this — even Macron and other ignorant European leaders are protesting the U.S. Supreme Court decision when their OWN abortion policies are at least and generally MORE restrictive than anything in Mississippi. If you believe there are unrestricted abortions in Europe, then you have been badly misled.

And here’s where Biden’s promise of codifying Roe into law was always a non starter:

When you ask most Americans whether they support abortion, you’ll find a majority do, usually somewhere in the 55-60% percentile.

That would be me. That’s my personal position. I believe a woman should have the right to abortion and abortion access — within reason.

See, when you poll WHEN abortions should be permitted — e.g. in a third trimester, or 8th month of pregnancy — that number collapses to 15-18%.

Again, I fall within that percentile. Is that unreasonable? Does that make me a totalitarian anti-choice fascist?

So while a majority of Americans believe in abortion rights, only a very slim minority believes in unrestricted abortions. Some extremist abortion activists — I call them psychopaths — believe a parent should even be able to dispose of a human child up to five years old. Surely, there has to be a point where a fetus becomes a viable human life. Hell, there are babies who have been delivered during a second trimester who are healthy today, so: What’s your number? Supplemental: If I support abortion rights, but do not support aborting babies at, say, 42 weeks, does that position make me pro-choice or pro-life? Serious question for somebody who is shattered.

The court has thrown the law back at the States. Those states will determine their own laws. It’s possible that a culturally conservative state like Utah will ban abortion altogether; whereas liberal states like California and Massachusetts might permit partial-birth abortions, if that’s what the voters of those states want.

And this is where the pro-choice movement is losing. Americans don’t want unrestricted abortions. Period. That’s strictly for population-control dystopian tyrannies in China and North Korea. Most Americans want SOME sane protection for the unborn. That’s not unreasonable.

And opinions are only hardening. You just have to look at the polling from the past two decades.

Science. Ever since advent of ultrasounds, polling for unrestricted abortions has gone down. You can call a fetus a “just a clump of cells” or call it “fetal matter” the same way you dismiss something as “fecal matter,” and people kinda believe it. But evidence has demonstrated that when you show them an ultrasound, they don’t see a clump of cells, they see themselves. Which is why many people are okay with first-trimester abortions BUT totally repulsed by third-trimester abortions.

There is nuance here; just don’t expect your activist local news media clowns to weigh any of it.

Immigration from South and Central America. Sure, the liberals and Democrats want them naturalized into the United States as quickly as possible, but biting them in the arse is the not-so-little-secret that a majority of them are Catholics and women inmigrants are especially disgusted by abortion. So, more ultrasounds and more immigrants means unrestricted abortion is going to be decreasing in popularity from it’s 18% high mark.

So, please, for the sake of your own sanity, tamp down the sky-is-falling hysteria. Abortion is not going away in the United States, it’s just that now it’s more likely their laws will align something closer to the laws of most of Europe and the rest of the civilized world, and not mirror what we see in North Korea. Is that really such an awful triggering tragedy that we get “shattered” by it?

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