All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
That's 2 wins from our last 7 games against tier 1 opposition.
Coaches have to go now.
It shouldn’t even be a debate.
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@Steve said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@stodders the only goofd thing to come of it is that he is gone for 6-8 weeks according to foster so his hand will be forced to pick some new blood.
If he picks Patty T im going to petrol bomb a library.
Hope you've picked one that deserves a roasting 🤣
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@Steve said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
If you are breaking 6ft 8" Brodie Retallicks eye socket in a tackle the match ref describes as "upright" then I think you may have tackled him a tad high.
I'm sure it will be dealt with by the citing system. It is best to keep 15 vs 15 after all and let the post-match citing process do its thing.
How deliciously ironic.
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Cane and Fosters post match presser was a pathetic affair.
Foster like a defiant disgraced politician and Cane's voice was barely audible when replying to questions. He looked completely shook.
I feel sorry for Cane. He is a great man for the trench warfare but his USP is perspiration not inspiration.
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@Steve said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Cane and Fosters post match presser was a pathetic affair.
Foster like a defiant disgraced politician and Cane's voice was barely audible when replying to questions. He looked completely shook.
I feel sorry for Cane. He is a great man for the trench warfare but his USP is perspiration not inspiration.
McCaw did the same after 2007. So did Henry.
That's where the comparison ends though, as Henry/McCaw's team had dominated world rugby for the previous 2 years.
Oh, Wayne Barnes was involved again 🤣
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@IrishMick said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Viewed from afar, I'd say Jacinda needs to breastfeed some of your lads in parliament to bulk them up.
Enjoy your win. Your lads well and truly outplayed ours. Magnificent Rugby from everyone in Green.
In terms of your fishing trip. This is The Silverfern. If you're trying to troll, you're gonna have to do better than the above.
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@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
If you are breaking 6ft 8" Brodie Retallicks eye socket in a tackle the match ref describes as "upright" then I think you may have tackled him a tad high.
I'm sure it will be dealt with by the citing system. It is best to keep 15 vs 15 after all and let the post-match citing process do its thing.
How deliciously ironic.
Fundamentally that’s why I’m against the football and rugby league method of delayed censure.
You’re handing the ‘justice’ to the next opponent
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
If you are breaking 6ft 8" Brodie Retallicks eye socket in a tackle the match ref describes as "upright" then I think you may have tackled him a tad high.
I'm sure it will be dealt with by the citing system. It is best to keep 15 vs 15 after all and let the post-match citing process do its thing.
How deliciously ironic.
Fundamentally that’s why I’m against the football and rugby league method of delayed censure.
You’re handing the justice to the next opponent
Yep. Thing is Mike, if you can't be consistent, you have to leave it to a post-match review process. Red card for obvious dirty play or clear high shots to the head.
Ireland were the better team today when it was 15 v 15, but NZ with a man advantage carved them up.
Would Ireland have hung on playing with 14 for more than 10 mins with NZ having the momentum? We'll never know. But because of last week's decision and this week's inconsistency, it doesn't exactly feel right that Ireland escaped having to find out.
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@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
As stated Samisoni not starting , quite unfathomable
We are in perpetual sh*t until forwards 1-5 become consistently competitive.NZ has enough raw material to work with. Need a better mix of ball players Vs workers. If you can't do your core job (throwing, lifting, scrummaging), offer nothing around the field and are a liability on defence, it is time to sit out until you show you can do it again. Consistently.
NZ miss someone like Franks who shifts bodies and does their core job well. They have a player like Mealamu in ST. Moody's drop off in form has been a big hit to the tight five.
Locks....there is some talent coming through, but they are green. But still enough to form a good enough tight five that is more than competitive.
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@stodders I don't think the insularity is a problem.
There is no sensible gameplan.
Look at the Ireland back 3. A Brumbie cast off, a NZ cast off and Hugo Keenan.
None of the 3 of them would get in New Zealands team.
Keenan is not Christian Cullen.
Hansen is a journey man and Lowe was being slagged by Chris Ashton for being slow and fat last year.
But the three of them catch all their kicks and kick back intelligently. They don't get tackled into touch, they recycle and they make their tackles.
James Lowes left boot is used the way Dagg's used to be. They play all the rugby in our half. Their wingers fall over the line from 5 yards for their tries. Will Jordan has to score his from 70 meters. They have a system and we don't. Imagine what Andy Farrell could do with Reece, Jordan and Jordie.
Every player on that Ireland team is squeezing every ounce out of their ability.
Ireland choose the players to fit the system and game plan. NZ seem to choose their best players and then the game plan.
Are NZ too scared to drop the stars for fear they will leave?
Keenan may be no Christian Cullen, but then again who is? I must admit I was stunned when he was first capped, but he quickly became one of my favourite players. He is a very complete fullback who is equally comfortable in defence or attack, and is rated by even English papers as the best full back in the NH. Low error and runs great support lines.
I’m not a fan of Lowe’s as I think his error rate is too high, but Hansen has been a revelation from his first touch in international rugby. He is a brilliant footballer who plays right across the line, and understands fully what Farrell wants. As was said he suits the multiphase game Farrell has put in place, and he has been outstanding for us, a real bolter. The ABs love strike runners on the wing, and they’ve produced some of rugby’s greatest wingers, but we don’t have a lot of Howletts or Lomus hanging about.
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@Halfout said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
As stated Samisoni not starting , quite unfathomable
We are in perpetual sh*t until forwards 1-5 become consistently competitive.NZ has enough raw material to work with. Need a better mix of ball players Vs workers. If you can't do your core job (throwing, lifting, scrummaging), offer nothing around the field and are a liability on defence, it is time to sit out until you show you can do it again. Consistently.
NZ miss someone like Franks who shifts bodies and does their core job well. They have a player like Mealamu in ST. Moody's drop off in form has been a big hit to the tight five.
Locks....there is some talent coming through, but they are green. But still enough to form a good enough tight five that is more than competitive.
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@stodders I don't think the insularity is a problem.
There is no sensible gameplan.
Look at the Ireland back 3. A Brumbie cast off, a NZ cast off and Hugo Keenan.
None of the 3 of them would get in New Zealands team.
Keenan is not Christian Cullen.
Hansen is a journey man and Lowe was being slagged by Chris Ashton for being slow and fat last year.
But the three of them catch all their kicks and kick back intelligently. They don't get tackled into touch, they recycle and they make their tackles.
James Lowes left boot is used the way Dagg's used to be. They play all the rugby in our half. Their wingers fall over the line from 5 yards for their tries. Will Jordan has to score his from 70 meters. They have a system and we don't. Imagine what Andy Farrell could do with Reece, Jordan and Jordie.
Every player on that Ireland team is squeezing every ounce out of their ability.
Ireland choose the players to fit the system and game plan. NZ seem to choose their best players and then the game plan.
Are NZ too scared to drop the stars for fear they will leave?
Keenan may be no Christian Cullen, but then again who is? I must admit I was stunned when he was first capped, but he quickly became one of my favourite players. He is a very complete fullback who is equally comfortable in defence or attack, and is rated by even English papers as the best full back in the NH. Low error and runs great support lines.
I’m not a fan of Lowe’s as I think his error rate is too high, but Hansen has been a revelation from his first touch in international rugby. He is a brilliant footballer who plays right across the line, and understands fully what Farrell wants. As was said he suits the multiphase game Farrell has put in place, and he has been outstanding for us, a real bolter. The ABs love strike runners on the wing, and they’ve produced some of rugby’s greatest wingers, but we don’t have a lot of Howletts or Lomus hanging about.
Ireland's back 3 complement each other and suit the game plan. They are good players, but their combination makes them better.
Henry chose Kahui on the wing, not because he was the best winger, but because he brought balance to the back 3. Low error rate, high work rate. Perfect for test match rugby.
NZ have to select better. Test match rugby is about pressure. How much you can exert on the other team until they break. Then you can use your skills to seize on the opportunities. Not before.
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@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
If you are breaking 6ft 8" Brodie Retallicks eye socket in a tackle the match ref describes as "upright" then I think you may have tackled him a tad high.
I'm sure it will be dealt with by the citing system. It is best to keep 15 vs 15 after all and let the post-match citing process do its thing.
How deliciously ironic.
Fundamentally that’s why I’m against the football and rugby league method of delayed censure.
You’re handing the justice to the next opponent
Yep. Thing is Mike, if you can't be consistent, you have to leave it to a post-match review process. Red card for obvious dirty play or clear high shots to the head.
Ireland were the better team today when it was 15 v 15, but NZ with a man advantage carved them up.
Would Ireland have hung on playing with 14 for more than 10 mins with NZ having the momentum? We'll never know. But because of last week's decision and this week's inconsistency, it doesn't exactly feel right that Ireland escaped having to find out.
100%
Definite red card
And it would have taken a monumental effort to win the match
Beyond them IMHO
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@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
New brains trust for the coaching ticket. How about:
Robertson
Gatland
SchmidtNot gatkand. Insufferable.
Robertson
Schmidt
Browne or MacDonald or OGara -
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
If you are breaking 6ft 8" Brodie Retallicks eye socket in a tackle the match ref describes as "upright" then I think you may have tackled him a tad high.
I'm sure it will be dealt with by the citing system. It is best to keep 15 vs 15 after all and let the post-match citing process do its thing.
How deliciously ironic.
Fundamentally that’s why I’m against the football and rugby league method of delayed censure.
You’re handing the justice to the next opponent
Yep. Thing is Mike, if you can't be consistent, you have to leave it to a post-match review process. Red card for obvious dirty play or clear high shots to the head.
Ireland were the better team today when it was 15 v 15, but NZ with a man advantage carved them up.
Would Ireland have hung on playing with 14 for more than 10 mins with NZ having the momentum? We'll never know. But because of last week's decision and this week's inconsistency, it doesn't exactly feel right that Ireland escaped having to find out.
You're spot on that it needs to be consistent. But I'm with Mike, no doubt that should be a red card.
The main defence seems to be it's accidental. Don't care, doesn't matter. Refs aren't mind-readers, and the lack of intent doesn't mean Retallick's cheekbone is any less broken. I'm sure the dickhead hoons that crash their cars do it accidentally, doesn't mean they shouldn't be punished for it.
If someone slips just before the tackle, then fair enough, that's a real accident. But going in for a challenge knowing that a head clash is likely isn't an accident, it's poor technique and reckless.
The idea of cards was to force players to change to avoid these clashes. But because it's such a lottery whether you get red, yellow or nothing, the incentive to change isn't there
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@gibbon-rib said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
If you are breaking 6ft 8" Brodie Retallicks eye socket in a tackle the match ref describes as "upright" then I think you may have tackled him a tad high.
I'm sure it will be dealt with by the citing system. It is best to keep 15 vs 15 after all and let the post-match citing process do its thing.
How deliciously ironic.
Fundamentally that’s why I’m against the football and rugby league method of delayed censure.
You’re handing the justice to the next opponent
Yep. Thing is Mike, if you can't be consistent, you have to leave it to a post-match review process. Red card for obvious dirty play or clear high shots to the head.
Ireland were the better team today when it was 15 v 15, but NZ with a man advantage carved them up.
Would Ireland have hung on playing with 14 for more than 10 mins with NZ having the momentum? We'll never know. But because of last week's decision and this week's inconsistency, it doesn't exactly feel right that Ireland escaped having to find out.
You're spot on that it needs to be consistent. But I'm with Mike, no doubt that should be a red card.
The main defence seems to be it's accidental. Don't care, doesn't matter. Refs aren't mind-readers, and the lack of intent doesn't mean Retallick's cheekbone is any less broken. I'm sure the dickhead hoons that crash their cars do it accidentally, doesn't mean they shouldn't be punished for it.
If someone slips just before the tackle, then fair enough, that's a real accident. But going in for a challenge knowing that a head clash is likely isn't an accident, it's poor technique and reckless.
The idea of cards was to force players to change to avoid these clashes. But because it's such a lottery whether you get red, yellow or nothing, the incentive to change isn't there
I'm sure Foster and AB fans are v happy that it should have been a red card,that Ireland didn't get sanctioned during the game and that NZ didn't get the advantage they merited.
NZ stayed clear of trouble in this match. Ireland had Porter and Aki with questionable impacts. Last week NZ got punished (rightly) for indiscretions. This week Ireland didn't.
What a great game we have here 🤣
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@Steve said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@stodders I don't think the insularity is a problem.
There is no sensible gameplan.
Look at the Ireland back 3. A Brumbie cast off, a NZ cast off and Hugo Keenan.
None of the 3 of them would get in New Zealands team.
Keenan is not Christian Cullen.
Hansen is a journey man and Lowe was being slagged by Chris Ashton for being slow and fat last year.
But the three of them catch all their kicks and kick back intelligently. They don't get tackled into touch, they recycle and they make their tackles.
James Lowes left boot is used the way Dagg's used to be. They play all the rugby in our half. Their wingers fall over the line from 5 yards for their tries. Will Jordan has to score his from 70 meters. They have a system and we don't. Imagine what Andy Farrell could do with Reece, Jordan and Jordie.
Every player on that Ireland team is squeezing every ounce out of their ability.
OUCH!
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Mrs Meldrew has just removed all throwable objects from the lounge.
There’s still the TV….
Thank fuck we don't have a piano or swimming pool.
Has she put a fresh pack of razor blades in the bathroom?
