Hurricanes v Reds
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@gt12 said in Hurricanes v Reds:
Holy fuck. The Canes are incredibly reliant on Jordie Barrett and and Ardie Savea. They just jump out as the players who drive the team so I had to look at the stats.
If you take out Sullivan’s intercept metres (he finished with 90 and looks like their next center), Savea and Barrett are the leading metre getters, and they both get an incredible amount of touches (Barrett: 12 passes, 19 runs; Savea: 12 passes, 15 runs). They are the only two players with more than 10 runs (Barrett: 50 metres, 1 clean beak, 5 defenders beaten, 7 offloads; Savea: 58 metres, I defender beaten, 1 offload) and are equally 3rd for passes (Perenara: heaps; Morgan: 13).
At minute 54 did @ACT-Crusader ’s ears prick up when you heard them talk about Ardie looking like a 12?
That became a reasonable watch once the Canes actually started getting their hands on the ball.
Yeah two of NZs best players, and totally carrying their team. Canes are ahead of Landers cos only one player is carrying them
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@Machpants lol this is a pretty funny discussion. Of course you would centre most of your game plan around your two best players.
I.e Carter and McCaw for the Crusaders in the past, Smith and Smith for the Highlanders in years gone by. This ain’t new.
Ardie’s been dominant all year so the Canes would be stupid not to get the ball into his hands.
It’s not like other players didn’t contribute though, the likes of TK Howden had a storming game, PUJ & Sullivan were solid in the midfield, Perenara played the best game he has in a while.
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'We think he can get his game to the next level': Glowing endorsement for Hurricanes midfield
The Hurricanes overcame a 17-deficit to build a 30-17 win over Brad Thorn's side, in part due to the defence of their new midfield combination who were tasked with marking Wallaby hitman Hunter Paisami at outside centre.
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Who was the number 20 who came on to the side of the scrums for the Hurricanes? Looked a solid lad.
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@Crazy-Horse I think that was Caleb Delany
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@Crazy-Horse TK Howden was listed at 20 on the team sheet. He played well for Manawatu in the NPC, and was in the NZ U20 squad.
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@canefan said in Hurricanes v Reds:
@chimoaus said in Hurricanes v Reds:
@Tim I would be very happy for them to keep this midfield pairing going, they complement each other very well. Almost Nonu/Smith type.
PUJ runs hard and straight, it helped free up space for Sullivan
He still needs to work on his tackling a bit - he missed 4 according to ESPN.
I agree though, that a PUJ/Sullivan midfield looks the business.
I bet they’ve lost PUJ though.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Hurricanes v Reds:
@Frank You can have all the ceiling in the world but unless you perform you shouldn't be in the conversation. So many work-ons for Clarke, positioning, taking the high balls, kicking, putting people in space,.... No doubt he has some awesome strengths but at test level will he be a liability or an asset?
Odd post, nearly every wing in the frame has work ons. Bridge can't beat a man one on one, Reece's defence can disappear week to week. And as already noted he's been an asset at test level. Did you sleep through 2020?
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes v Reds:
@Machpants lol this is a pretty funny discussion. Of course you would centre most of your game plan around your two best players.
I.e Carter and McCaw for the Crusaders in the past, Smith and Smith for the Highlanders in years gone by. This ain’t new.
Ardie’s been dominant all year so the Canes would be stupid not to get the ball into his hands.
It’s not like other players didn’t contribute though, the likes of TK Howden had a storming game, PUJ & Sullivan were solid in the midfield, Perenara played the best game he has in a while.
I think you have simplified it somewhat. Jordie and Ardie are getting their hands on the ball far more than I have seen from two players that are not wearing a 9 or 10 on their backs. It’s a good thing because they are quality but it does put a lot of pressure on them.
As for the Saders, McCaw we didn’t rely on so much, he was just very good and did what he did. DC yes, but he is running the cutter so you’d expect plenty of involvement. I would say we had periods when we “relied on” the likes of Casey Laulala and Nadolo to get us front foot ball so ran plenty of play through them.
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Finally got to fully watch the game, admittedly after Anzac morning refreshments. My points
- Both eights were by far the best players on the field. Canes will totally lose against any decent team without Ardie, and Wilson has improved and was nowhere near a card.
- Reds not fit enough, in fact that seems all the Ozzie teams
- Gibson really blew desperately needed bonus point try, WTF was he passing to?
- TJ an awesome SR player, but didn't need to be in black again.
- McReight Looks like peak fetcher McCaw circa 2010. Sadly the rules have been clarified since then, and he was a liability with not releasing.
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I feel like the Canes need one or two more leaders in their 15 to help take them from a good team to serious title contenders. They’ve shown glimpses of being a very good team but have often switched off in matches this year which has been costly.
Getting Dane Coles back into this side will be massive. Not only will our line-out improve but he probably picks this team up as much as Ardie does in the way he plays.
The ceiling for this side is fairly large due to a large proportion of the side being in their early 20s, so the fact we are already winning some big games is promising, even when it’s off the back of the likes of Ardie and Jordie at the moment.
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@Canes4life hopefully the boys stay together until we can get shot of Holland
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@Nepia Wish I did sleep through 2020. Yeah, valid point, they all have strengths and weaknesses. With Clarke, I want to see the hype, I really do......
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Hurricanes v Reds:
With Clarke, I want to see the hype, I really do......
I want to believe you, I really do......
However your judgment of wing play seems a bit off
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in AB left wing:
The comments on here about Bridge are ridiculous. He has scored tries for the ABs that young fellas like Clarke (a fern favourite) could only dream of at this stage.
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
I am in the pro-Bridge camp. You all create your own reality through cognitive dissonance. Offers a dam sight more than fern favourite Clarke would if he was in the ABs in his present form.
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Pumas I:
Bridge played OK. He bumped off a couple of players, was fairly physical....if his last name was Clarke the Fern would be ecstatic about his performance.
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Pumas I:
Are you taking the piss? Bridge has a far better nose for the scoreline than Clarke.
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